I would kill for an Age of Sigmar Total Warhammer

[CorvoLad23]

Basically just what the title says. I'm a HUGE fan of AoS and I would kill to get my hands on a Total War game set in that universe. I love Warhammer Fantasy, but I just like Age of Sigmar more (And despite liking those two I can't stand 40k lol). Imo, it's a better universe with cooler lore and better looking units.

Age of Sigmar could have some AWESOME looking units as well and the battles would be unreal, imagine how cool it would look as a unit of Ironjawz Gore-gruntas smash home into a shield wall of Stormcast Eternals, each death causing a new column of lightning to shoot upwards into the sky, or how amazing the fights would look when the Lumineth Realm-lords battle the Nighthaunts, magic and spirits and walking mountains tearing apart whole units as the armies clash. Plus, the Realms would look cool as well and make for a very fun world map.

Now, there are certainly some issues that would come from making an AoS game.

One, the armies would have to be much bigger since Age of Sigmar battles are generally massive things, and the amount of damage individual units (like the Gods such as Nagash or Alarielle) or spells can cause would require everyone to have more health/larger unit sizes.

Two, the game would likely be even more intense in terms of graphics due to the spells/weapon effects/death animations for things like Stormcasts etc so the performance would likely be even worse.

Three, the Mortal Realms. How does one fight for control of the Mortal Realms? They're basically infinite, and each has countless Sub-Realms which are themselves individual worlds. The simple answer, imo, is that you don't. I would place 'Total War Age of Sigmar' in one Realm, in an area of great importance that all the various factions desire for one reason or another. For example, Thondia in Ghur or the Great Parch in Aqshy. Yes, it would be nice to conquer all the Realms and all that, but I simply do not believe it is doable in a video game.

But there is one MASSIVE reason that Creative Assembly should do an Age of Sigmar game.

It's easy.

Why? Because they already have a lot of the factions made. Goblins, Undead, the various mortal and daemon servants of Chaos, Skaven and so on. All of them can, with a slight tweak here or an alteration there, be reused in Age of Sigmar. All CA has to do, is create some new, unique (and DLC sellable) AoS exclusive units for each army that they currently lack.

You can combine the High Elves, Dark Elves, Wood Elves, Dwarfs and humans into one faction and there you go, you've got the Cities of Sigmar.

All it would take is a few new units for the Goblins and the Gloomspite Gitz are finished.

Add a few new spirit units to the Undead and BAAM, Nighthaunt.

Throw some new skeleton units into the Undead, and you've got the Soulblight faction.

Expand and alter the Slayer units, and you've got Fyreslayers.

Take the Wood Elf Tree Spirit units, add to them and expand them a little and there's the Sylvaneth done.

So on, and so forth.

Yes, things like Stormcast Eternals, Lumineth Realm-lords, Ossiarch Bonereapers and Idoneth Deepkin would need to be made from scratch, but that still means they only need to make a few new factions rather than create every single faction from nothing like they did for Total War Warhammer 1, 2 and 3.

So yes, I believe Total War Age of Sigmar would not only be very, VERY fun to play (and I would buy every single DLC they released for it), but I also think it would be comparatively easy to make. Easier, at least, than creating a brand new game in a totally new setting that CA would need to make from scratch like Lord of the Rings.

And the first two replies are exactly what I expected. Good lord people, god forbid someone like things you don't, eh? Regardless, my point stands. Total War AoS would be a fun game and a smart thing for CA to do :)

[KeiranG19]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lost Latios:

Oprindeligt skrevet af KeiranG19:

Fantasy translates pretty damn easily. The tabletop game was a rank and file system which evolved out of the same historical miniatures games that total war developed to simulate. Fantasy also had a single world map containing all of the factions that was blatantly inspired by earth.

40k is a squad tactics game just like AOS and also has the same problem of conflicts being set massively far from each other (planets vs realms).

Yeah, typically both are following 'the elite' of the war. The rest of the lore fluff is just to get those giant numbers without having to produce them.

That doesn't easily translate into the total war format though. Fantasy had old rule books to comb through for unit details and a head start on balancing. GW even brought back the old world off the back of TWWH's popularity and invented the new Kislev and Cathay.

Being fair GW have recently brought back 40k epic which would be a more analogous starting point to adapt from, but is currently lacking in faction diversity.

[Knightspace]

Not interested, wouldn't play it, time for CA to make something new anyway.

[Mr_Puddins]

I would absolutely love an Age of Sigmar games. However, I doubt any real game company is willing to take a project like that on. It's just too massive of a universe. Besides that, the End Times stuff would be a balancing nightmare. The current iterations of TW Warhammer are already a balancing nightmare. As a matter of fact, I was just about to post a discussion about Deamons of Chaos.

Here's the thing, ascended Archaon, the Glottkin, Gotrot Spume and his land surfing leviathan corpse that leaves behind flooding rivers of slime... armies of Bloodthirsters, the Skaven destroying the moon, the true might of Elf wizards/sorcerers... the true might of the Slann... that one super op dwarf who becomes the avatar of the dwarf god... The Beastclaw Raiders... the true monstrous roster and number of the Greenskins... It's just way too overwhelming and there's so many ridiculously op units and characters... Morathi coming back with a Slaanesh mutated army... Stormcast... Nagash... Warhammer is more op than Dragonballz or Bleach. Warhammer is the most op over-the-top lore ever created...

Just trying to test the game for balancing would take at least a year... of just testing... perhaps up to two years to get it right...

I'm right there with you dude and I really hate to say this but I think we're lucky CA took on this current project as even pre-End Times is an absolutely daunting task. Nobody can get it the way it should be. Not even the sea of modders that have put out tons of (mostly very impressive mods).

Warhammer End Times is the BBC of fantasy lore. You'd have to make it literally a life's work... to make an Age of Sigmar TW game...

[Puggly the Grey]

I might consider buyin’ it if’n it has Hotseat mode.

[Torquemadada]

Total War 3 is already very close of being an Age of sigmar adaptation, so what would be the point ?
But a Total war 40k would be a brand new game...

[Alucard]

Never understand ppl which love AoS after Warhammer Fantasy...it's just a crap. I wouldn't spend a single coin to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AoS game. Let AoS die in agony with it's little fan base.

[Silvertongued Devil]

It's funny because AoS is a decent game - GW just shat the bed so hard with the transition and particularly the End Times that most Fantasy fans will never seriously give it a chance.

And by funny I mean sad. Because the jerk who was in charge during End Times and the early AoS is no longer in charge and the new management seems way more reasonable/inclined towards improving the state of the game. Can't really talk about 40k - but AoS, at least, is pretty fun.

Yes, WHFB is fun, too. It doesn't have to be either/or.

[A.Pot]

You could just play Realms of Ruins

[Meriwether]

Gross.

[(Steelclaw)]

I will likely never be interested in AoS because its lore is built on End Times lore (which I hate), but I respect your passion.

[Mr_Puddins]

Oprindeligt skrevet af A.Pot:

You could just play Realms of Ruins

I spent less than a minute looking at that nonsense and was like, "Moba... what have you done?..."

Oprindeligt skrevet af (Steelclaw):

I will likely never be interested in AoS because its lore is built on End Times lore (which I hate), but I respect your passion.

Nice to see the forces of Chaos win. We needed the End Times. I mean look at 40k... How many fail Dark Crusades?... Sometimes you gota shake things up a bit. You realize how disappointing it is to be a fan of Chaos (like me) and see your fav characters lose over and over and over again?...

[KeiranG19]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mr_Puddins:

Oprindeligt skrevet af A.Pot:

You could just play Realms of Ruins

I spent less than a minute looking at that nonsense and was like, "Moba... what have you done?..."

Oprindeligt skrevet af (Steelclaw):

I will likely never be interested in AoS because its lore is built on End Times lore (which I hate), but I respect your passion.

Nice to see the forces of Chaos win. We needed the End Times. I mean look at 40k... How many fail Dark Crusades?... Sometimes you gota shake things up a bit. You realize how disappointing it is to be a fan of Chaos (like me) and see your fav characters lose over and over and over again?...

End Times wasn't hated because chaos won, but because the characterisation of a bunch of big names was all over the place and then it ended with a maguffin that destroyed the planet.

Then AOS launched with unbelievably terrible rules killing any chance of people grumpy about the end times transferring to the new system.

[Many-Named]

there is too much for the franchise, forget about it.

[DarkFenix]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zeek:

Oprindeligt skrevet af KeiranG19:

One of the main problems with adapting AOS to total war is a lack of clear scale. The lore is full of "billions died" footnotes while the tabletop is a squad tactics game.

This applies to fantasy and 40k as well yet no one seems to mind.

This is true, the lore in both cases does describe far larger battles than actually happen. However in terms of gameplay Fantasy has at least a foundation that works towards large scale, units arrange in comparatively large block formations which for Total War you really just scale up the dimensions for, the two games use the same language so to speak.

40k... well, everyone with any sense knows how poorly 40k would translate to Total War too. Not even Epic 40k ever did anything that would adapt well to Total War, it still functions as a squad-based game even upscaled to extremes.

[Coldhands]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mr_Puddins:

Oprindeligt skrevet af A.Pot:

You could just play Realms of Ruins

I spent less than a minute looking at that nonsense and was like, "Moba... what have you done?..."

Oprindeligt skrevet af (Steelclaw):

I will likely never be interested in AoS because its lore is built on End Times lore (which I hate), but I respect your passion.

Nice to see the forces of Chaos win. We needed the End Times. I mean look at 40k... How many fail Dark Crusades?... Sometimes you gota shake things up a bit. You realize how disappointing it is to be a fan of Chaos (like me) and see your fav characters lose over and over and over again?...

But the End Times was the END times. Chaos didn't win, the game ended. Nobody won and it was all over, which is why nobody liked it.
All the Dark Crusades fail because if something with the goal of wiping out the galaxy succeeds, there's no more galaxy to tell stories and play games in. Nobody ever wins by that extreme a metric. You gotta set your sights lower.