Skaven AI needs to be fixed.

[Eldrin]

They do not own even a SINGLE full province but they are fielding 6 armies. 5 of which are full. It does not matter that i play on VH/VH. It does not matter that they are mostly full of trash units. NO OTHER FACTION DOES THIS CRAP.

Even if my single army can take on 3 of those at once that battle would not be fun, it would simply be a GRIND where i will lose most of my army and they will have that garbage spam up in a few turns again. When a player fields a new army they lose a % of their economy for each army they have, the AI clearly does not have this and can just spam with 0 economy.

The only efficient way to deal with it is for me to make a second army and auto resolve this cancer. No other faction but the skaven do this kind of crap not even the greenskins. Not even saying that it cant be dealt with, just any kind of dealing is annoying and most likely auto resolve so i dont have to deal with the grind.




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[Tommytools]

Originally posted by Eldrin:

NO OTHER FACTION DOES THIS CRAP.

I can field 3 20 stack armies of gobbos as Grom, holding just his starting province. Add a waaagh and hey presto 6 20 stack armies. Skarsnik can do the same due to his massive discount on recruitment and upkeep of goblin units (40% iirc). So no, there are multiple factions that can do this "crap".

Zhao Ming can solo a 20 stack of skavenslaves and clanrats (if not more), or you can hit the respec button and get lightning strike (situations like this is exactly why you want it).

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by Tommytools:

Originally posted by Eldrin:

NO OTHER FACTION DOES THIS CRAP.

I can field 3 20 stack armies of gobbos as Grom, holding just his starting province. Add a waaagh and hey presto 6 20 stack armies. Skarsnik can do the same due to his massive discount on recruitment and upkeep of goblin units (40% iirc). So no, there are multiple factions that can do this "crap".

Zhao Ming can solo a 20 stack of skavenslaves and clanrats (if not more), or you can hit the respec button and get lightning strike (situations like this is exactly why you want it).

The skaven do not ONLY use slaves they have mid and 1-2 high tier units too. They are doing it with out even having a single full province and even if you destroy them they have enough left over to create new ones in a few turns. This is not even close to what you are describing.

Zhao Ming no he can't. What you are talking about is a high level legendary lord, not turn 10-30 when the skaven already do this bs.

[DarkFenix]

The Skaven AI doesn't get any kind of special consideration. It just loves to spam trash units so that boosted income goes considerably further than with most other factions.

[Emperor]

I AGREE

[Chief Minister of Gaming]

yeah but how many settlements they own.. u dididnt tell us

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by Chief Minister of Gaming:

yeah but how many settlements they own.. u dididnt tell us

3 settlements where i owned the 4th of their province.

[(Steelclaw)]

It cheats no more than other AIs. As has been said, skavenslaves are just very cheap and the AI likes them a lot. They're very easy to kill in massive numbers, just get a mage or some monsters/cavalry.

It's been like this since TWH2, and I honestly really like it. Once you know what you're doing, setting massive numbers of skavenslaves on fire is very satisfying.

[Grubbs008]

Well ya, on VH they have like a 70-80% reduction on Upkeep. They get bonuses to everything, including income.

[BigJ]

Have you tried adding a single anti infantry unit to your army?

Hell if you are Cathay, your legendary lords can melt the rats via spells or dragon.

If they brought slingers just...ignore them, your Frontline SHOULD be armored enough to not be an issue, if it's eshin just use your own ranged on them.

[Raider Deci]

Originally posted by Eldrin:

. It does not matter that they are mostly full of trash units. NO OTHER FACTION DOES THIS CRAP.

Of course it matters if the units doesnt cost them anything! Number of provinces doesnt matter.

The AI does not have endless money. They have on the higher difficulties more background income than the player, reduced upkeep & does not have to deal with the supply upkeep, but thats what you sign up for when you choose anything above normal. The AI will always try to spam out what it can and it have always been this way for all the factions.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Background income (something you also have, but they have more depending on difficulty) + upkeep reductions + already cheap units as a base.

Any race with cheaper units can do the same thing.

[Grinch]

Originally posted by Eldrin:

It does not matter that i play on VH/VH.

It actually does, quite a bit.

Originally posted by Eldrin:

It does not matter that they are mostly full of trash units.

Again, it really does matter.

[Chief Minister of Gaming]

Originally posted by Chief Minister of Gaming:

yeah but how many settlements they own.. u dididnt tell us

hmm.. then.. its not too much out of whack..

I think just go Deal with it. Take what is on the menu.

I mean, you say GRIND... but that is an attitude to it

[jtordoff]

The AI "cheats", even on lower difficulty settings. It can maintain more armies than a player using the same faction AND still have money to upgrade its settlements and buy RoR when they are available. It doesn't have to worry about its neighbors attacking it, so it can project power without consequence, unless IT wants to.

The AI only exists to engage YOU, the player and make you feel like a genius when you win, that's why it does so much irrational stuff when it gets in contact with the player. THIS is as good as it gets when it comes to AI, the very shaky illusion of multiple factions.

I would LOVE to see one of these AI projects actually play a game like this, from the same interface as a human would use.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by jtordoff:

The AI "cheats", even on lower difficulty settings. It can maintain more armies than a player using the same faction AND still have money to upgrade its settlements and buy RoR when they are available.

In game 3 the AI economy buffs depends on the AI's "potential" value.

The difficulty sets their base potential, then other in game factors during the game (including some random chance) adjusts this value. At 0 or lower potential they have no economical bonuses. At 120 or more potential they have a -50% upkeep bonus.

There is still some bonuses directly tied to the difficulty (not economical), but many buffs and debuffs of the AI have been moved to this new "potential" system.