daemon prince of tzeentch?

[Temp_player]

i've been playing vilitch in realm of chaos and immortal empires and when i recruit a generic Chaos Lord (melee), i noticed that he can ascend to daemon prince of tzeentch on the path of glory tab. is this a bug or something?

[Garatgh Deloi]

I think it falls under feature.

The god flavored Champions of Chaos can ascend their lords and heroes a tad differently then the rest of the Warrior of Chaos factions.

They can for example always choose both schools of magic (As a example: Metal or Tzeentch magic for a Tzeentch sorcerer) when ascending a sorcerer into a god marked sorcerer.

For undivided what school of magic they can ascend to depends on the school they had from before, since there will only be two ascensions options for 2 different gods (For example they would either have the choice of making a tzeentch sorcerer with tzeentch magic or metal magic, they wouldn't get both options on the same character, they would instead have the option of making the other god marked sorcerer with one of their schools).

They can also ascend their lord that cant get the god mark directly into the god marked daemon prince (the exception being Valkia since she can't get sorcerer lords at all).

[Velber]

No? most lords even generic can ascend to a certain gods daemon prince if you choose to

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Pseudomonarchiadaiymo:

No? most lords even generic can ascend to a certain gods daemon prince if you choose to

For the factions outside of the champions of chaos DLC they have to ascend to god marked and then ascend again to that god specific daemon prince (and they will only be able to access daemon princes if they have a god marked version, for example chaos sorcerer lords can get the mark of Tzeentch or Nurgle, thus can only become god specific daemon princes or Tzeentch or Nurgle).

So chaos lords (melee) can't ever become a daemon prince of Tzeentch (since there is no chaos lord of Tzeentch), unless they are part of Vilitch's faction where they can skip the god marked step and go directly to Daemon prince of Tzeentch.

Lords outside of the champions of chaos factions only have access to the undivided daemon prince right away.

[Velber]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by Pseudomonarchiadaiymo:

No? most lords even generic can ascend to a certain gods daemon prince if you choose to

For the factions outside of the champions of chaos DLC they have to ascend to god marked and then ascend again to that god specific daemon prince (and they will only be able to access daemon princes if they have a god marked version, for example chaos sorcerer lords can get the mark of Tzeentch or Nurgle, thus can only become god specific daemon princes or Tzeentch or Nurgle).

So chaos lords (melee) can't ever become a daemon prince of Tzeentch (since there is no chaos lord of Tzeentch), unless they are part of Vilitch's faction where they can skip the god marked step and go directly to Daemon prince of Tzeentch.

Lords outside of the champions of chaos factions only have access to the undivided daemon prince right away.

Vilitch is a champions of chaos lord though?

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Pseudomonarchiadaiymo:

Vilitch is a champions of chaos lord though?

Yes. But if you don't already know that they differ in this way and are used to the other Warriors of Chaos lords you would suspect a bug, like OP did.

[CrUsHeR]

Just checked to make sure. Yeah it is indeed possible, lvl 30 and 10k souls same like for Undivided (Normally it is lvl 20 + 5k souls for devoted ascension)



However... it would be really stupid to do that.

The biggest strength of Tzeentch WoC armies is to have a Sorceror Lord and Sorceror Hero ascend like this:

Fire-> Tzeentch (Lore of Tzeentch)
Death-> Tzeentch (Lore of Metal)

Then you have two guys flying on a Disc of Tzeentch, which is the best caster mount due to maneuverability. The Tzeentch lord keeps Kindleflame and the Metal hero keeps Life Leeching.

There is literally no better caster setup in the game*, with near unlimited winds of magic and nearly free pink fire / searing doom spam. Kindleflame works with the warpfire damage, life leeching replenishes WoM.


In fact, ascending the Tzeentch sorcerer lord to daemonhood is a straight downgrade, because he replaces all the best spells with useless ones.

He loses Pink Fire, Searing Doom and Final Transmutation.

Unlike the actual Tzeentchian Exalted Lord of Change which comes in two proper specializations.



*) ofc not counting Herald + Iridescent Horror, which work about the same, but without the Path to Glory boons and ascension boni