Be'Lakor - Harbringer mechanic???

[Mr_Puddins]

Plz nor typical scorn and cynicism... I was trying to find some info on how this really works but even the youtubers seem to avoid trying to explain it.

How do you successfully trigger this mechanic?

[MrSoul]

*rolls eyes* I remember my first time playing total war
IM KIDDING! IM KIDDING! XD

Umm, think either do a successful hero action or defeat but not kill a human lord in battle, wait ten turns then they’ll get axe’d and should be a new daemon lord in your recruitment pool. Been hot minute since I’ve done a Belly campaign though but pretty sure how went down.

[Mr_Puddins]

I triggered it unintentionally one time. I happened to look into my 'recruit lord' option and saw Azazel in there, I was like whoa where'd u come from xD

And then I saw the mechanic is super picky or something... I was getting vague and conflicting info about it.

Originally posted by Mr.Soul:

*rolls eyes* I remember my first time playing total war
IM KIDDING! IM KIDDING! XD

Umm, think either do a successful hero action or defeat but not kill a human lord in battle, wait ten turns then they’ll get axe’d and should be a new daemon lord in your recruitment pool. Been hot minute since I’ve done a Belly campaign though but pretty sure how went down.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Mr_Puddins:

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It doesn't work on any lord that is a faction leaders nor does it work on unique lords (like legendary lords). It also only works on human factions.

You can apply the effect with a hero action (any hero action) or kicking the target lords ass (without killing him/her).

Once the target lord has the effect (I think its called Be'lakors shadow or something, its shows up next to their portrait in the corner of the UI) they need to survive X amount of turns (i think it was 10) and they can't defeat one of your armies during this time (that disables the effect).

If you just do it on a single enemy lord or kill all the lords you run into then yea the risk is high that you aren't gonna get anything from it. But if you send off some heroes to target random human armies with any ability (as long as they aren't the faction leader) then you are going to get quite a few undivided deamons princes ready to be recruited over time.

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I really wish you could target minor faction leaders, i also wish it wasn't just undivided daemon princes. I really wanted to turn Boris Toddbringer into Boris Toadbringer daemon prince of Nurgle *sigh*. Missed opportunity.

[Mr_Puddins]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by Mr_Puddins:

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It doesn't work on any lord that is a faction leaders nor does it work unique lords (like legendary lords). It also only works on human factions.

You can apply the effect with a hero action (any hero action) or kicking the target lords ass.

Once the target lord has the effect (I think its called Be'lakors shadow or something, its shows up next to their portrait in the corner of the UI) they need to survive X amount of turns (i think it was 10) and they can't defeat one of your armies during this time (that disables the effect).

If you just do it on a single enemy or kill all the lords you run into then yea you aren't gonna get anything. But if you send off some heroes to target random human armies with any ability (as long as they aren't the faction leader) then you are going to get quite a few undivided deamons princes ready to be recruited over time.

Somehow I got it to work on Azazel.. I had beat Azazel in a fight and then shortly after that I happen to notice he was in my lord recruitment pool.

So I can just hit a non-unique human enemy lord with say - 'assault troops' ability, and that will trigger the mechanic?

[cernodan]

If I remember correctly, you can use any hero action on a human type Lord and after 10 rounds, if said character hasn't died, you'll get an event and you'll have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ undivided demon prince in your lord recruiting pool.
This is why, it's usually best to target the leading lord of minor factions, because they have a form of pseudo-immortality.

It seems my memory failed me and you can't target the faction leaders.
That being said, the payoff isn't worth the effort in my opinion, but if you still wish to, use heroes and not "defeat lord and let him escape". It's much simpler to spread your chaos AIDS that way.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Mr_Puddins:

So I can just hit a non-unique human enemy lord with say - 'assault troops' ability, and that will trigger the mechanic?

Non unique AND not a faction leader. Even minor faction has one lord assigned as their "faction leader" even if its a completely generic lord, the ability wont work on those. You can see who their faction leader is by selecting the faction in diplomacy and see who pops up as their speaker.

But other then that, yes any ability that targets the the army should work.

[CrUsHeR]

Well. Normally, it would take a very long time to level up one of your own lords to lvl 30. Then it costs 10k souls to ascend him, and he loses half his levels.

And you lose the original lord, at level 30.

IIRC there also aren't any discounts for this, like Vilitch can stack so many effects that the Tzeentch ascension actually adds character levels rather than losing them.



So yes this is really powerful. It doesn't even cost gold to hire the new Daemon Prince.

Just hire an extra sorcerer ASAP, have him steal tech and target random lords with Block Army. They need to be specifically "human" though, so only Norsca, Kislev, Empire, Cathay, Bretonnia factions. Not sure about Vampires.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Well. Normally, it would take a very long time to level up one of your own lords to lvl 30. Then it costs 10k souls to ascend him, and he loses half his levels.

And you lose the original lord, at level 30.

IIRC there also aren't any discounts for this, like Vilitch can stack so many effects that the Tzeentch ascension actually adds character levels rather than losing them.



So yes this is really powerful. It doesn't even cost gold to hire the new Daemon Prince.

Just hire an extra sorcerer ASAP, have him steal tech and target random lords with Block Army. They need to be specifically "human" though, so only Norsca, Kislev, Empire, Cathay, Bretonnia factions. Not sure about Vampires.

Well.

It would be extremely powerful, if the undivided daemon princes were actually better then a normal sorcerer lord with the fire lore (the same one the undivided daemon prince gets).

I would make the argument that a undivided daemon prince is weaker.

Don't get me wrong, i still use daemon princes become "rule of cool". But... yea...

[Peskyfletch]

Originally posted by Mr_Puddins:

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

It doesn't work on any lord that is a faction leaders nor does it work unique lords (like legendary lords). It also only works on human factions.

You can apply the effect with a hero action (any hero action) or kicking the target lords ass.

Once the target lord has the effect (I think its called Be'lakors shadow or something, its shows up next to their portrait in the corner of the UI) they need to survive X amount of turns (i think it was 10) and they can't defeat one of your armies during this time (that disables the effect).

If you just do it on a single enemy or kill all the lords you run into then yea you aren't gonna get anything. But if you send off some heroes to target random human armies with any ability (as long as they aren't the faction leader) then you are going to get quite a few undivided deamons princes ready to be recruited over time.

Somehow I got it to work on Azazel.. I had beat Azazel in a fight and then shortly after that I happen to notice he was in my lord recruitment pool.

So I can just hit a non-unique human enemy lord with say - 'assault troops' ability, and that will trigger the mechanic?

No that's something different, belakor can Confederate other WOC LLs by duffing them up. Azazel starts as a demon prince, this mechanic is when an enemy human lord gers turned into an allied demon prince

[abyssalfury]

Originally posted by Mr_Puddins:

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

It doesn't work on any lord that is a faction leaders nor does it work unique lords (like legendary lords). It also only works on human factions.

You can apply the effect with a hero action (any hero action) or kicking the target lords ass.

Once the target lord has the effect (I think its called Be'lakors shadow or something, its shows up next to their portrait in the corner of the UI) they need to survive X amount of turns (i think it was 10) and they can't defeat one of your armies during this time (that disables the effect).

If you just do it on a single enemy or kill all the lords you run into then yea you aren't gonna get anything. But if you send off some heroes to target random human armies with any ability (as long as they aren't the faction leader) then you are going to get quite a few undivided deamons princes ready to be recruited over time.

Somehow I got it to work on Azazel.. I had beat Azazel in a fight and then shortly after that I happen to notice he was in my lord recruitment pool.

So I can just hit a non-unique human enemy lord with say - 'assault troops' ability, and that will trigger the mechanic?

Be'lakor getting Azazel isn't via his Harbinger mechanic, it's a separate confederation mechanic for him and Archaon.

The biggest issue with Be'lakor's ability is that the Lord has to survive for ten turns, which is a) somewhat out of your hands, and b) often quite difficult. Your best bet is to target powerful factions that are far away from you - IMO best option is to use portals/sea lanes/walking to get a hero over to Cathay and use Hero actions against Northern/Western provinces.

[Mr_Puddins]

Wow, awesome. Thanks for the advice guys I really appreciate it.

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