What do you guys use the elemental bear for?

[Eldrin]

The bear looks so badass but i cant find a use for it. I get the Incarnate Elemental of Beasts from a tier IV building instead where the bear comes from a tier V building and the incarnate just does everything better then what the bear does. The incarnate actually rips monsters and cavalry apart like it is a joke while the bear hardly does anything to them next to him and sometimes even gets owned. All while having a higher cost, upkeep and higher tier to build.

[Dagy47]

Originally posted by Eldrin:

What do you guys use the elemental bear for?

for elemantal bear burgers mostly...

but in all seriousness, u mostly use them as chewing toys if anything, just send them in, let the enemy blob at them, giving u some time to shot them....

and the only reason to get bears over incarnations is if u dont have the dlc, thats about it

[jonoliveira12]

Bullet sponge and formation smasher, also ofetn to punish ranged units and artillery.

As a big monster, it is actually quite good at tying up stuff.

[Captain Baldy]

Mostly for giggles and hunger negation.
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[Eldrin]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Bullet sponge and formation smasher, also ofetn to punish ranged units and artillery.

As a big monster, it is actually quite good at tying up stuff.

How exactly do you punish ranged or artillery or make something into a bullet sponge. You cant exactly force someone to attack it. Incarnate Elemental of Beasts can tank close to as much as the bear but also kills stuff.

[ope84]

Powercreep at its finest

[Ashardalon]

kindof weird the bear doesnt have more mass then the elemental
thats a chunky boy

[A.Pot]

Its a defense monster to hold the line and debuff the enemy with its freezing aura. Use the Incarnate of Beasts for the attack, especially to kill enemy monsters and cavalry.

[Zeek]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Bullet sponge and formation smasher, also ofetn to punish ranged units and artillery.

As a big monster, it is actually quite good at tying up stuff.

This is the most practical use in my opinion.

That being said, I still don't go out of my way to recruit them.

[Powercow]

In Boris's army they can be okay since they get regeneration, and regenerating big units are always nice. Sadly his bear riders are incredibly good so it'd really be just if you want some variety for him.

And the summoned version from the invocation of the homeland is a nice, expendable damage sponge.

[Aleera]

The elemental bear has a bit more hp and has a chilling aura that lowers speed.
That being said, the bear should have missile resist in my opinion.

What I don't understand is this. People compare it to the elemental bear, which is more of a tanking monster then a damage monster.

Why are people not comparing the Incarnate elemental of beasts to the Ghorgon? They both have the exact same role, being a anti large monster, the incarnate can also be used to clear infantry AND it has higher damage AND a mortis engine AND higher anti large AND magical attacks AND more charge bonus AND it's unbreakable compared to a Ghorgon.

Mind you, for MP, the Incarnate even costs 200 less for the Beastmen then the Ghorgon.

The incarnate should lose around 1000 to 1500 hp and lose 200 weapon strength.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by Eldrin:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Bullet sponge and formation smasher, also ofetn to punish ranged units and artillery.

As a big monster, it is actually quite good at tying up stuff.

How exactly do you punish ranged or artillery or make something into a bullet sponge. You cant exactly force someone to attack it. Incarnate Elemental of Beasts can tank close to as much as the bear but also kills stuff.

Ranged units must target down the Bear, otherwise it will reach them and destroy the ranged units.
Incarnates are indeed better, but they are also DLC. They also die faster (T4 vs T5), but are faster them selves and have a spell damage aura.
However, that does not mean Elemental Bears are bad on their own, or that they are not decent bullet sponges, or can brutalize ranged and artillery units.

[SpeaksTooFast]

I always found the summonable one to be incredibly useful for most or the reasons listed above.

I also didn't really recruit them much unless I needed a siege attacker in a bear rider army as they could keep up better than artillery but found they generally get focused down pretty quick. As a single entity with a large HP pool it is a great target for % based healing that Kislev the priests have but in practice they just come they were just a bit clunky to use and were over-costed IMO.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by Zeek:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Bullet sponge and formation smasher, also ofetn to punish ranged units and artillery.

As a big monster, it is actually quite good at tying up stuff.

This is the most practical use in my opinion.

That being said, I still don't go out of my way to recruit them.

I used to, before SoC. Incarnates fully replace them, however.
If you do not have SoC, though, tehy are decent as a 1 or 2 off in an Ice Guard army, since those girls can use the big HP mass to hold out while they annihilate everything with Frost Arrows.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by SpeaksTooFast:

I always found the summonable one to be incredibly useful for most or the reasons listed above.

I also didn't really recruit them much unless I needed a siege attacker in a bear rider army as they could keep up better than artillery but found they generally get focused down pretty quick. As a single entity with a large HP pool it is a great target for % based healing that Kislev the priests have but in practice they just come they were just a bit clunky to use and were over-costed IMO.

Yes, if you are going to be using SEMs or Bear Cav as Kislev, you should always bring a Patriarch. The healing is INVALUABLE for high HP army comps.