DLC Tier List (2023)

[Daniel]

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Resume:

Tier S:
Rise of the Tomb Kings
Curse of the Vampire Coast
The Silence & The Fury
Champions of Chaos
Forge of the Chaos Dwarfs

Tier A:
Chaos Warriors
Call of the Beastmen
Realm of The Wood Elves
The Prophet & The Warlock
The Warden & The Paunch
The Twisted & The Twilight

Tier B:
The Grim and the Grave
The Hunter & The Beast
The Shadow & The Blade

Tier C:
The King and the Warlord
The Queen & The Crone
Ogre Kingdoms

Tier D:
Norsca

Tier F:
Blood for the Blood God
Shadows of Change

[Breeding Medicine]

I'd put Chaos Dwarfs to A, they are not that good especially without the 4-th LL.

[Zeek]

SoC belongs in A or B tier if you remove the drama over pricing.

[Havean]

Originally posted by Zeek:

SoC belongs in A or B tier if you remove the drama over pricing.

How? First of all price is very important. If it cost 5$ there would be no reason not to get it. It costs half the game to purchase or the same price of Chorfs. Does it provide anywhere near that much content? No.

Lazy mechanics for Cathay
lack luster units. Wow a Drum, and oh look yet another version of war hounds and fellbats.
Overpowered as all hell crossbow units for Kisliev. The gunners where already bad this just made sure you never have a need to use them.

[Vardos]

Originally posted by Zeek:

SoC belongs in A or B tier if you remove the drama over pricing.

One less legendary lord, 12 units total, one is a blatant reskin. Price vs what is on the table isn't there even if it was at a deeper discount.

Seriously stack this up vs Chaos Dwarves at the same price. One is clearly superior in what it offers at that price point, and doesn't even account for older DLC being at least as much as SoC and anywhere from 6-10 dollars each on sale.

It doesn't have the price vs benefit compared to any previous pack

[Alan]

While you can argue about minor changes between adjacent tiers, overall the list looks about right.

A heavy focus on the DLCs which add major factions or entire races, weighted to some extent for value/money. Low ratings for DLCs which add minor content to portions of the game you already have access to and/or provide poor value/money

[art_loots]

even if i didn't have all DLC except SoC i would not go with the shills.
will state vampire coast didn't age well i think. Norsca although limited in lords and hero's feel way beter then VP.
hunter and the beast is C-tier max

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Havean:

Originally posted by Zeek:

SoC belongs in A or B tier if you remove the drama over pricing.

How? First of all price is very important. If it cost 5$ there would be no reason not to get it. It costs half the game to purchase or the same price of Chorfs. Does it provide anywhere near that much content? No.

Lazy mechanics for Cathay
lack luster units. Wow a Drum, and oh look yet another version of war hounds and fellbats.
Overpowered as all hell crossbow units for Kisliev. The gunners where already bad this just made sure you never have a need to use them.

Funny, because I explicitly remember people raging hard about Chorf DLC being "literally just copies and reskins of existing mechanics and units for $25" yet now it's mysteriously at the top of an arbitrary tier list. I guarantee once the next DLC drops the same will happen for SoC.

Also, Grim and Grave is also somehow better than SoC? Arguable the worst/bare bones DLC for this trilogy that took 5+ years to reach "meh" state only because they made some changes with the inclusion of IE? I don't think so.

[Havean]

Yes Grim and Grave is better because it was priced better. Price matters. It was the first content DLC and as such CA learned from it that they had to provide more in future which they did... Until SoC.

If ToD does not include enough content to justify the absurd price than yes it will be treated as the worse one again.

I see no universe where SoC is ever even considered good. It provides nothing of value for the price of half the game. Notice how even you could not defend the unit choices and lazy mechanics for the lords?

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Havean:

Yes Grim and Grave is better because it was priced better. Price matters. It was the first content DLC and as such CA learned from it that they had to provide more in future which they did... Until SoC.

If ToD does not include enough content to justify the absurd price than yes it will be treated as the worse one again.

I see no universe where SoC is ever even considered good. It provides nothing of value for the price of half the game. Notice how even you could not defend the unit choices and lazy mechanics for the lords?

Unit choices, lords, and mechanics are fantastic. I don't what you're on about. I've played more of SoC stuff than I have chorfs.

Look if the price is the biggest hurdle for you that's fine, but im talking about game play.

[Lone Wolf]

Originally posted by Havean:

Yes Grim and Grave is better because it was priced better. Price matters. It was the first content DLC and as such CA learned from it that they had to provide more in future which they did... Until SoC.

If ToD does not include enough content to justify the absurd price than yes it will be treated as the worse one again.

I see no universe where SoC is ever even considered good. It provides nothing of value for the price of half the game. Notice how even you could not defend the unit choices and lazy mechanics for the lords?

SoC F Tier while Champions of Chaos and Chaos Dwarfs are S Tier... "I see no universe where SoC is ever even considered good. It provides nothing of value for the price of half the game." The same can be said about Chaos Dwarfs. But mysteriously it's not one tier better, it is 5(!) tiers better. Seriously these two DLC should be 1 tier apart...

[Havean]

Originally posted by Lone Wolf:

Originally posted by Havean:

Yes Grim and Grave is better because it was priced better. Price matters. It was the first content DLC and as such CA learned from it that they had to provide more in future which they did... Until SoC.

If ToD does not include enough content to justify the absurd price than yes it will be treated as the worse one again.

I see no universe where SoC is ever even considered good. It provides nothing of value for the price of half the game. Notice how even you could not defend the unit choices and lazy mechanics for the lords?

SoC F Tier while Champions of Chaos and Chaos Dwarfs are S Tier... "I see no universe where SoC is ever even considered good. It provides nothing of value for the price of half the game." The same can be said about Chaos Dwarfs. But mysteriously it's not one tier better, it is 5(!) tiers better. Seriously these two DLC should be 1 tier apart...

To him it is better. Take it up with GBoG.
If you love SoC I would challenge you to explain why.

[Coldhands]

Probably agree with those first two, Tomb Kings and Vampire Coast were both really well-designed factions with cool campaigns when they came out, but after that things go off the rails pretty quick.

[Lone Wolf]

Originally posted by Havean:

Originally posted by Lone Wolf:

SoC F Tier while Champions of Chaos and Chaos Dwarfs are S Tier... "I see no universe where SoC is ever even considered good. It provides nothing of value for the price of half the game." The same can be said about Chaos Dwarfs. But mysteriously it's not one tier better, it is 5(!) tiers better. Seriously these two DLC should be 1 tier apart...

To him it is better. Take it up with GBoG.
If you love SoC I would challenge you to explain why.

Where did I say I love it? I said Chaos Dwarfs and SoC are similiar content-wise. I played more of SoC than Chaos Dwarfs, because Chaos Dwarfs play all the same while in SoC you get 3 different Lords/factions. The Changeling offers you a totally unique playstyle. If you don't like SoC it's ok, but these two DLC shouldn't be 5 Tiers apart.

[Eldi]

-Blood is the cheapest.
-Is the OG buy once-carry over.
-Affects all units and factions.

Why is it not at the top...

[Kapika96]

Chaos Warriors at A? It was considered one of the worst DLCs for the game for a long time!

Feels like somebody is overrating them based on the rework there, especially considering you don't get the rework if you're playing it on WH1 or 2. And even if you are playing WH3 you get Be'lakor free anyway so you're really just paying for the 3 LLs. Definitely don't think it's worth being in A tier.