Will Thrones of Decay finally make Border Princes playable?

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They always get wrecked within the first few turns currently.

On Border Princes

There are a few Border Prince kingdoms that hold out into the Endtimes and act as a bulwark against Skaven and Greenskins

They're independent and don't answer to the elector counts but they pay fealty to Sigmar and most of them are technically loyal to the Empire, so it would make sense for the Border Prince Confederation to be represented as a playable Empire faction with a special unit roster more focused on their local roster (Knights, Witch Hunters, Vampire Hunters, Mercenaries, Gladiators).

Ideally they should have their own internal politics mechanics and a minor Legendary Lord to confederate with, and control Castello del Dimenticato in Blackfire Pass as a gateway between the mountains restricting hostile travel.

Skaven and Greenskins should also be weighted to attack them and cause problems for them. It makes little sense that they get overrun by Ogres, Vampire Coast, and Clan Angrund instead, by this point in the they should be practically overrun by Skaven and Goblins.

On Dogs of War

The thread wasn't about Dogs of War but it would be interesting if they were implemented as a Hoard Faction under the Empire but with unique mechanics.

If they had camps similar to mobile Ogre camps, with a tech tree limit to how many can be sustained at once, they could recruit some of their own special units from there and travel around with them doing expeditions into hostile territory but wouldn't just be spamming them everywhere.

Then if they had a mechanic similar to the Changeling cults they could establish a Mercenary Guild or something that lets them recruit local units from other factions.

But unlike the Changeling, make it something established by a special disposable hero unit like a "Contractor" with limits to where they can be established based on diplomatic standing, and with limits to how many can be sustained at once, BUT ALSO with symbiotic defensive bonuses and economic bonuses for the cities they're established.

So Dogs of War wouldn't just building Camps and Guilds everywhere on the map, but instead would basically be choosing their favorite Patron Factions then going to fight on their behalf.

[jonoliveira12]

Probably not, since the storyline barely involves them at all.

[Reaver79]

Are they Empire or Dwarfs ? Or Nurgle for that matter ?.. If not then since the road map says those are the 3 it will focus on, it seems very unlikely..

[Dagy47]

Originally posted by Reaver79:

Are they Empire or Dwarfs ? Or Nurgle for that matter ?.. If not then since the road map says those are the 3 it will focus on, it seems very unlikely..

well technicly they are just Empire faction with "southern realms" tag under name (as if that changed much)

[Reaver79]

Border princes are iirc independent, not part of the empire, they are not under one of the lords.. But i could be wrong..
Southern realms are the Dogs of War factions, which could be real interresting to see in game, but does not sound like it is about to happen..

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They're technically Empire, the Southern Kingdoms are petty independent duchies that pay lipservice to the Empire and despite being corrupt and largely autonomous they act as the bulwarks of the empire.

I don't see how people can say they don't have anything to do with the story, the Border Kingdoms mostly resisted vampire corruption and held the mountain pass for a long time against the Greenskin and Skaven, they should be acting as a bit of a spoiler for the Von Carstein and Bloody Handz and having more trouble with Skaven than Ogres.

[Reaver79]

Yea but they aint under no Elector count.. The regions of the empire is devided under the counts to ensure control, not to mention when the emperor passes a new one will be chosen from them if i remember the politics of the empire.
A lot of the border princes like the northern settlements are mercenaries loyal to coin no lords..

[Axios]

Nope. Border Princes are nominally part of the 'southern realms' which is CA's way of grouping the non major human factions.

If we get them it will be part of a dogs of war race pack (though they might not be playable still, just have a full roster).

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The Southern Kingdoms may not be under the Elector Counts but they mostly pay fealty to the empire and Sigmar in particular.

And it would be a lot more realistic to include them as a new independent Empire LL with few of their own units, and some divided provinces with a few new minor factions to be conquered or confederated. Maybe a minor legendary hero or lord similar to Todbringer.

[Human bean]

Originally posted by Dagy47:

Originally posted by Reaver79:

Are they Empire or Dwarfs ? Or Nurgle for that matter ?.. If not then since the road map says those are the 3 it will focus on, it seems very unlikely..

well technicly they are just Empire faction with "southern realms" tag under name (as if that changed much)

Border Princes? Yes is the answer

[Dagy47]

Originally posted by Human bean:

Originally posted by Dagy47:

well technicly they are just Empire faction with "southern realms" tag under name (as if that changed much)

Border Princes? Yes is the answer

but when?

[ope84]

There are lot of Bretonnians there also

[ChuTheMan]

Originally posted by Dagy47:

Originally posted by Reaver79:

Are they Empire or Dwarfs ? Or Nurgle for that matter ?.. If not then since the road map says those are the 3 it will focus on, it seems very unlikely..

well technicly they are just Empire faction with "southern realms" tag under name (as if that changed much)

Techincally not.
the Border princes are really just a mix of other nations, its really just a dumping place for unwanted/outcasts from around the old world.
you will find anything from empire, bretonnia, vampires and more.
Infact most of the princes are descended from bretonnians.

[Human bean]

Originally posted by Dagy47:

Originally posted by Human bean:

Border Princes? Yes is the answer

but when?

I meant yes to Border Princes being empire, dwarfs etc :S When? Probably never. Download TEB imo. Have fun. Stop waiting for something that will probably never come. (and if you feel the need too give money to someone(thing) give money to the mod creators (or follow the directions of you fav mod creator(s)

[Dagy47]

Originally posted by ChuTheMan:

Originally posted by Dagy47:

well technicly they are just Empire faction with "southern realms" tag under name (as if that changed much)

Techincally not.
the Border princes are really just a mix of other nations, its really just a dumping place for unwanted/outcasts from around the old world.
you will find anything from empire, bretonnia, vampires and more.
Infact most of the princes are descended from bretonnians.

i know, im saying from game perspective they are just Empire clones, since southern realms have never been actualy put corectly into the game

[ChuTheMan]

Originally posted by Dagy47:

Originally posted by ChuTheMan:

Techincally not.
the Border princes are really just a mix of other nations, its really just a dumping place for unwanted/outcasts from around the old world.
you will find anything from empire, bretonnia, vampires and more.
Infact most of the princes are descended from bretonnians.

i know, im saying from game perspective they are just Empire clones, since southern realms have never been actualy put corectly into the game

in the same way we can say kislev were also just empire, since they were just empire clones back in WH1 and WH2. Not to mention sartosa before vampire coast in WH2.

just because something is just a clone/copy of another race, does not mean they can't get changed to be their own unique faction/race.