Am I just bad or is auto-resolve really forgiving?

[pocbame]

I'm seeing pyrrhic victory in the auto-resolve, then I go into the actual battle and get absolutely demolished no matter what strategy I try. Is auto-resolve known to be forgiving and let you win fights you have no business winning?

[Dagy47]

auto resolve is kinda bonkers in certain cases, it does favorites certain units while undervaluing others so u can get some moments where its just plain wrong, it happens

[pocbame]

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I should be losing this right? It definitely feels like it

[Raider Deci]

Originally posted by pocbame:

I'm seeing pyrrhic victory in the auto-resolve, then I go into the actual battle and get absolutely demolished no matter what strategy I try. Is auto-resolve known to be forgiving and let you win fights you have no business winning?

It can be very forgiving sometimes & sometimes not. Depends. It is very forgiving against ex vampires that field lots of cannon-fodder units.

[Reaver79]

It does not consider units weaknesses/strengths, so yes sometimes you can get a very favourable result with AR, but usually if you play at least some what decent, you can by far perform better than the AR results.
But at a point your replenishment can keep track with the AR result and as such it just becomes a lazy but a lot faster way to play the campaign.

[Dagy47]

Originally posted by pocbame:

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I should be losing this right? It definitely feels like it

thats winnable with good micro

[Raider Deci]

Originally posted by pocbame:

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I should be losing this right? It definitely feels like it

Doesnt look that bad, certainly closer than something than this (googled image but I have come across it myself many times);
https://preview.redd.it/wv55j1jgz1l91.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7013ef6500c01c3ae2ee0ebad420c9771aaf8d4b

In yours there looks like a chance, in this linked image there is no way you would even do any damage and yet in auto those blokes will get hundreds of kills each

[sentry]

I often see statements that autoresolve is just fine. In reality, after one plays many factions and fights battles more often than not irrespective of what the AR algo predicts, it becomes evident that auto-resolve is notoriously inaccurate and has severe faction and unit type bias. Anything the AR algo concludes is pyrrhic tends to be off.

Depending on the faction you are playing it can be overly forgiving or the opposite. Classic example are heavy melee factions eg WoC, Khorne that tend to perform unrealistically well in auto-resolve. Factions that rely on magic and/or mobility tend to perform worse, classic example there are vampires.

I tend to recommend this mod over and over for restricting AR in battles that are close. It changes how you play the game, but it does make campaigns longer on average.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2854146839

[pocbame]

Originally posted by Dagy47:

Originally posted by pocbame:

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I should be losing this right? It definitely feels like it

thats winnable with good micro

Whats the general strategy with formation and micro here would you say?

[Volsung]

Originally posted by pocbame:

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I should be losing this right? It definitely feels like it

Eagles to artillery, outrange them with archers, infantry in forest and kite with Alastar as much as possible.

You can also cheese quite easily by using the eagle to empty their ammo.

[fmalfeas]

The way I see that battle:

The big things you have to look at in that battle for danger are the hand cannons and the mortars. If you need to, you can use one unit of spears at long range to separate the mortars from the rest.

Hit them with magic or arrows a few times to get them to charge, make sure they only have line of sight on the eagles, alastor, and the sacrificial bait. The artillery will stop and shoot while everything else advances. Once everything else is far enough, send the eagles. It'll be too late to save the mortars. The Eagles might be able to snipe noctilus if you can separate him out, but be careful about that, he's a halberd unit.

Shoot the hulks with your archers (easy, high value targets that otherwise specialize in wrecking infantry). Your rangers can absolutely slaughter any vampire coast infantry they get into melee with.

Make sure that every shot counts, and every life lost was for a clear gain (like making sure the mortars can't shoot the rest of the army). Also, make sure that once the archers are visible, they're heavily guarded by spears, because Scurvy Dogs will end them in moments otherwise.

[jtordoff]

I find auto resolve is usually (90+%) is trying to scr*w me on Normal/Normal. I do not do Helves or VCoast enough to know how that battle would turn out, but it looks pretty accurate from what I do know.

I would say practice and don't be afraid to SLOW down the battle if you start feeling overwhelmed.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

From playing i can say that when i was playing and i assume they have not updated it that auto resolve favors heavy Armor but doesnt consider certain skills like necromancers revival auras and super tank low armor units and other aspects. undead particularly are heavily underrated in auto resolve so in your screenshot for example idk if you should lose or not but undead have low armor and thats kinda all that matters sometimes difficulty of course sways this more as well.

for example when i was playing necromancer in coop my friend auto resolved pretty much all of his dwarf army encounters and i wanted him to play them but he was like meh, and for me i had pretty much 95% fail rate in auto resolve but the victories i would pull out were massive i lost almost nothing and what i did lose would come back from the necromancy restoration after battle haha it was pretty one sided in my favor but auto resolve disagreed.

[DrMeepy]

Originally posted by pocbame:

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I should be losing this right? It definitely feels like it

This would be a REALLY easy fight. Just take one of your eagles and fly it over to the bloated corpses, the A.I will set it off and massacre their own units. Hide infantry in trees, your great eagle can divide their army. I think if you kept a ranger out in a corner divorced from your hidden army you can kill the direwolves with it and keep them from discovering your units. The other great eagle + alastar would have to fight Noctilus and he is really good fighter but you can probably get army losses and he'll just evaporate.

[Dagy47]

Originally posted by Dr.Meepy:

Originally posted by pocbame:

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I should be losing this right? It definitely feels like it

This would be a REALLY easy fight. Just take one of your eagles and fly it over to the bloated corpses, the A.I will set it off and massacre their own units. Hide infantry in trees, your great eagle can divide their army. I think if you kept a ranger out in a corner divorced from your hidden army you can kill the direwolves with it and keep them from discovering your units. The other great eagle + alastar would have to fight Noctilus and he is really good fighter but you can probably get army losses and he'll just evaporate.

those arent bloated corpses, those are animated hulks (the monstrous infantry mid tier unit) just fyi

[otheofoolo]

Auto resolve is just a simple program. Range. Cav, infrenty do their damage vs armor and hp. Another thing people forget is that difficulty weighs into the scales of auto resolve. This means glass cannon armies that aren't range base gets slaughtered. Nkari will lose a good deal of his army most auto resolve. Tougher tanks armies may never need to fight a battle. I have seen playthroughs of the brass bull on max difficulty just auto resolving everything.