It's time to ditch the Warscape engine

[BloodMagicLord]

This engine could not even handle Empire Total War properly - even back then, the problems with the engine were obvious to see. I remember reading threads from modders back in 2010 about the limitations and issues. The pathfinding never worked properly in battles back then, and to this day this has *never* been fixed.

The tech debt is plain to see. Stop releasing new titles, make a new engine or switch to Unreal if that's too hard. Spend a couple of years figuring out solutions to the problems that have plagued these games for 15 years and continue to get worse.

You've been kicking the can down the road, but now you have run out of road. These problems must be resolved, or Total War is done.

Rediscover your roots, go back and look at your old games and why they worked well, then modernise those systems with new technology - innovate. You are supposed to be the "Creative" Assembly - start acting like it. Listen to your customers instead of insulting them.

I own almost every TW game since Rome I and have been a loyal customer for over half of my life. However this is my parting rant. Unless you change course, I am done.

Goodbye, CA.

[easytarget]

Oh if only that was the real problem.

[BloodMagicLord]

Originally posted by easytarget:

Oh if only that was the real problem.

Oh, there are definitely other problems, but the decrepit engine is blocking any possibility of progress in a good direction.

[Lamp]

I 100% agree, though I don't see it ever happening for WH3. It's way too far gone. Doing this is what they should have done when they started WH3, but the greedy alien jagweeds were/are? in charge so it didn't happen.

[Brohan Creates]

That's like saying Bethesda should ditch Creative Engine and look at what happened to wokefield. A GARBAGE PIT OF BUGGY MESS. Only way for this stuff to change is talk with your wallets. If they can't get enough revenue, they will change and update to a better engine or fire who is responsible for this debacle.

[Chilltex]

Sega should just dissolve CA, give the TW IP to a competent studio.

[Mepho]

Originally posted by GohanF22 #VivaLaRevolutionUSA:

That's like saying Bethesda should ditch Creative Engine and look at what happened to wokefield. A GARBAGE PIT OF BUGGY MESS. Only way for this stuff to change is talk with your wallets. If they can't get enough revenue, they will change and update to a better engine or fire who is responsible for this debacle.

In fariness "garbage pit of buggy mess" has been the model for every single bethesda game ever, not sure what "happened" beyond the usual over there.
Not sure why people buy bethesda's ♥♥♥♥ too, but that's me.

[Brohan Creates]

Originally posted by Mepho:

Originally posted by GohanF22 #VivaLaRevolutionUSA:

That's like saying Bethesda should ditch Creative Engine and look at what happened to wokefield. A GARBAGE PIT OF BUGGY MESS. Only way for this stuff to change is talk with your wallets. If they can't get enough revenue, they will change and update to a better engine or fire who is responsible for this debacle.

In fariness "garbage pit of buggy mess" has been the model for every single bethesda game ever, not sure what "happened" beyond the usual over there.
Not sure why people buy bethesda's ♥♥♥♥ too, but that's me.

Todd Howard, Nuf said. At this point, only saving grace for any Elder Scrolls fan is Skyblivion which is being made by a Group of fans and in Unreal Engine.

[Chilltex]

Originally posted by GohanF22 #VivaLaRevolutionUSA:

Originally posted by Mepho:

In fariness "garbage pit of buggy mess" has been the model for every single bethesda game ever, not sure what "happened" beyond the usual over there.
Not sure why people buy bethesda's ♥♥♥♥ too, but that's me.

Todd Howard, Nuf said. At this point, only saving grace for any Elder Scrolls fan is Skyblivion which is being made by a Group of fans and in Unreal Engine.

That already sounds like it will be better than anything Bugthesda comes out with.

[Brohan Creates]

Originally posted by Chilltex:

Originally posted by GohanF22 #VivaLaRevolutionUSA:

Todd Howard, Nuf said. At this point, only saving grace for any Elder Scrolls fan is Skyblivion which is being made by a Group of fans and in Unreal Engine.

That already sounds like it will be better than anything Bugthesda comes out with.

it will and it will have modding support.

[MjKorz]

We need to think bigger. It's time to ditch CA as the developers of Total War games and pass the franchise to an actually competent studio. Technically, SEGA can do this and at this point it's probably the only way to save Total War franchise as a whole.

[Lamp]

Originally posted by GohanF22 #VivaLaRevolutionUSA:

Todd Howard, Nuf said. At this point, only saving grace for any Elder Scrolls fan is Skyblivion which is being made by a Group of fans and in Unreal Engine.

Yeah, realized he was a charlatan when I played Oblivion and found most of his E3? 'demo' to be BS. Haven't listened to him once since, dude's a professional liar.

Edit: to be clear, I've heard him say things, I just know they're mostly BS.

[Brohan Creates]

Originally posted by MjKorz:

We need to think bigger. It's time to ditch CA as the developers of Total War games and pass the franchise to an actually competent studio. Technically, SEGA can do this and at this point it's probably the only way to save Total War franchise as a whole.

I agree. They had their chance. Let someone else try it.

[Brohan Creates]

Originally posted by Lamp:

Originally posted by GohanF22 #VivaLaRevolutionUSA:

Todd Howard, Nuf said. At this point, only saving grace for any Elder Scrolls fan is Skyblivion which is being made by a Group of fans and in Unreal Engine.

Yeah, realized he was a charlatan when I played Oblivion and found most of his E3? 'demo' to be BS. Haven't listened to him once since, dude's a professional liar.

More like a CON man.

[Coldhands]

It's been long enough, they could probably use a major tech overhaul. I think wrapping up Warhammer (not counting however long WH3's DLC tail is) is a good place to reboot the franchise with new ideas and tech.
You don't want to get into a Bethesda situation, where you're just making the same game with a different setting over and over again because you've hit the limits of what you can do with your old engine.

[President Jyrgunkarrd]

Gamers in one breath: HAHA YOU ARE FINANCIALLY FAILING!

Gamers in the next breath: YOU SHOULD OBVIOUSLY BUILD A NEW NEW REPLACEMENT ENGINE FOR YOUR GAMES!