When to get a second army ?

[Dark_D_Shadow]

I wanna know when to get a second army because I feel like all my campaigns fail because I keep fielding a second one too soon.

I use the second army to defend my provinces while I use the main one for war but I think I better use that second army's upkeep as income for building upgrades and not for idle defense armies.

What's your opinion on this ?

Any help is greatly appreciated :)

[Amphibian Artillery]

I normally recruit a second army when my income hits around 3k a turn. This way I can afford a cheap 20 stack and still have enough income to grow my settlements after supply lines and upkeep affect it

[Dark_D_Shadow]

Originally posted by Amphibian Artillery:

I normally recruit a second army when my income hits around 3k a turn. This way I can afford a cheap 20 stack and still have enough income to grow my settlements after supply lines and upkeep affect it

Is that 3K with the second army or without ?

[leandrombraz]

The problem isn't so much that you're recruiting a second army too soon, but that you're using it as a defensive army. Send both armies on the offensive, so your second army can generate gold from battles and expand your territory, improving your economy. Defensive armies aren't worth it, unless you REALLY can't afford to go on the offensive, but in this case, you'll be making gold by killing the armies that are attacking you. As a rule of thumb, don't let any of your armies idle.

[Dark_D_Shadow]

Originally posted by leandrombraz:

The problem isn't so much that you're recruiting a second army too soon, but that you're using it as a defensive army. Send both armies on the offensive, so your second army can generate gold from battles and expand your territory, improving your economy. Defensive armies aren't worth it, unless you REALLY can't afford to go on the offensive, but in this case, you'll be making gold by killing the armies that are attacking you. As a rule of thumb, don't let any of your armies idle.

Ah I was considering using more garrison buildings instead of relying on idle armies that should also give me chance to use them instead of putting them on guard duty haha.

[Zeek]

Whenever you can feasibly afford it really

[mattmcgill323]

Originally posted by leandrombraz:

The problem isn't so much that you're recruiting a second army too soon, but that you're using it as a defensive army. Send both armies on the offensive, so your second army can generate gold from battles and expand your territory, improving your economy. Defensive armies aren't worth it, unless you REALLY can't afford to go on the offensive, but in this case, you'll be making gold by killing the armies that are attacking you. As a rule of thumb, don't let any of your armies idle.

Agreed though there are some exceptions when it comes to the Lords trait. Ie. Noble for Franz in Reikland as a defensive lord

[Amphibian Artillery]

Originally posted by DarkShadowBe:

Originally posted by Amphibian Artillery:

I normally recruit a second army when my income hits around 3k a turn. This way I can afford a cheap 20 stack and still have enough income to grow my settlements after supply lines and upkeep affect it

Is that 3K with the second army or without ?

Usually without

[Dark_D_Shadow]

Thanks for the info everyone. Gonna stop making armies idle.

[Nikloss]

Some factions benefit from having a second lord just tagging along the first one and once you've got enough money you can send him her back and start recruiting.

[Prisoner 76561197992841073]

Originally posted by DarkShadowBe:

I wanna know when to get a second army because I feel like all my campaigns fail because I keep fielding a second one too soon.

I use the second army to defend my provinces while I use the main one for war but I think I better use that second army's upkeep as income for building upgrades and not for idle defense armies.

What's your opinion on this ?

Any help is greatly appreciated :)

A second army should be deployed the moment your decrepit first army emerges from its meager encampment. Do not wait for permission, do not consult a higher power. Take matters into your own hands and secure the might of a second force, for it is the only hope you have of surviving the inevitable onslaught that awaits you!

[Dark_D_Shadow]

Originally posted by f*** ***:

Originally posted by DarkShadowBe:

I wanna know when to get a second army because I feel like all my campaigns fail because I keep fielding a second one too soon.

I use the second army to defend my provinces while I use the main one for war but I think I better use that second army's upkeep as income for building upgrades and not for idle defense armies.

What's your opinion on this ?

Any help is greatly appreciated :)

A second army should be deployed the moment your decrepit first army emerges from its meager encampment. Do not wait for permission, do not consult a higher power. Take matters into your own hands and secure the might of a second force, for it is the only hope you have of surviving the inevitable onslaught that awaits you!

For the emperor !?

[Dark_D_Shadow]

Originally posted by Nikloss:

Some factions benefit from having a second lord just tagging along the first one and once you've got enough money you can send him her back and start recruiting.

I'll look into to that thanks. :)

[pascal.difolco]

Really depends if the new army can sustain itself
With say Grimgor or Lockhir you can recruit early 3 or 4 armies, Whaagh them if GS, or put them on an Ark for DE, and send them pillaging all over, they'll earn you way more than their upkeep, as GS and DE have super high loot/sack revenues
With more defensive factions with way worse loot (Empire, Dwarfs, Chorfs,..) you'd better have enough positive income to sustain them, as you won't get much loot from battles and sacking...

[Dark_D_Shadow]

Originally posted by pascal.difolco:

Really depends if the new army can sustain itself
With say Grimgor or Lockhir you can recruit early 3 or 4 armies, Whaagh them if GS, or put them on an Ark for DE, and send them pillaging all over, they'll earn you way more than their upkeep, as GS and DE have super high loot/sack revenues
With more defensive factions with way worse loot (Empire, Dwarfs, Chorfs,..) you'd better have enough positive income to sustain them, as you won't get much loot from battles and sacking...

Yeah I'm still learning I tried doing a 1 army start with the dwarfs to build up my economy but I got annihilated by 2 Greenskin factions both using Waaagh to utterly destroy my army and settlements haha.
I did notice the AI watches your army strength level or something because usually I don't get wiped that fast when I have 2 armies. I'm gonna have to find a better balance...

[pascal.difolco]

Originally posted by DarkShadowBe:

Originally posted by pascal.difolco:

Really depends if the new army can sustain itself
With say Grimgor or Lockhir you can recruit early 3 or 4 armies, Whaagh them if GS, or put them on an Ark for DE, and send them pillaging all over, they'll earn you way more than their upkeep, as GS and DE have super high loot/sack revenues
With more defensive factions with way worse loot (Empire, Dwarfs, Chorfs,..) you'd better have enough positive income to sustain them, as you won't get much loot from battles and sacking...

Yeah I'm still learning I tried doing a 1 army start with the dwarfs to build up my economy but I got annihilated by 2 Greenskin factions both using Waaagh to utterly destroy my army and settlements haha.
I did notice the AI watches your army strength level or something because usually I don't get wiped that fast when I have 2 armies. I'm gonna have to find a better balance...

For certain factions, Thorgrim amongst them (Karl too), you HAVE TO recruit asap a second army (on turn 2 !) and manage a negative income in order to overcome early game wars.
As Thorgrim head straight to Skarsnik (east then north)
Second Lord can reinforce and has to do recruiting when main army is in enemy territory
What difficulty are you playing on?