Are Champion of Chaos units somewhat copy-and-pasted?

[PinguSpectre]

The WH3 DLC Champion of Chaos boasts of having more than 50 new units, but these so called "new units", such as the marauders, the spawns, the chaos warriors, and the chosens, etc., sharing nearly identical stats in the same unit name. They do, in fact, have different specialties according to their chaos factions. For example, these units of Khorne have frenzy ability but lower melee defense, and that of Tzeentch have magic barrier and can use magical attack, and so on, but it's hard to make me see them as brand-new designed units, let alone they were already included in the Chaos Warrior DLC in WH1(having identical stats but no chaos faction variations).

I am not trying to say this DLC is a waste of money although I was a little disappointed tbh. Instead, I wonder how other players think about it? Maybe some enlightenment?

[Elitewrecker PT]

Yes, which is why it's 50 units and not around 10 or less like other lord packs.

[PinguSpectre]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Yes, which is why it's 50 units and not around 10 or less like other lord packs.

Well, that's sad. Duplicated units should not be counted, but they're not "100%" the same, which makes me love and hate at the same time. I wish the devs could make more unique units like blue/pink horrors and bloodletters for each chaos faction. Btw, the new chaos lords and heroes introduced in this DLC also lack in varieties in my opinion.

[MrSoul]

I mean wasnt all copy paste of god variants(warshrines), which like let’s be real, what else expecting?

Most models through years are simply variations on the cast or even better, we’re intended to be kit bashed by player to rep specific aligned characters etc, not till more recently get dedicated releases for each god like see in AoS, ignoring named chars and daemons obviously.

Before CoC, WoC were essentially just archeons faction and represented his end time horde minus some key players like Valkia and Crom. Now not only get chars missing from that event but also dedicated factions for each mono god within scope of WoC, with, albeit simple variations, of units so can actually play w/e theme you want.

Alternative was they didn’t do this for WoC, and you’d be playing someone like Valkia with undivided units, pretending they’re khorne lol

Regardless of all that, if think they’re going to make 50 unique models for any faction in one update…no…no they won’t. Now could they describe what you get for the purchase a little more transparently? Ya probably lol

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by PinguSpectre:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Yes, which is why it's 50 units and not around 10 or less like other lord packs.

Well, that's sad. Duplicated units should not be counted, but they're not "100%" the same, which makes me love and hate at the same time. I wish the devs could make more unique units like blue/pink horrors and bloodletters for each chaos faction. Btw, the new chaos lords and heroes introduced in this DLC also lack in varieties in my opinion.

Other than them, the only actually new units were just the warshrines (which also had variations for each god).
The next DLCs should all bring something actually new to at least 1 monogod race each - first one up is Tzeentch

[Zeek]

Originally posted by PinguSpectre:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Yes, which is why it's 50 units and not around 10 or less like other lord packs.

Well, that's sad. Duplicated units should not be counted, but they're not "100%" the same, which makes me love and hate at the same time. I wish the devs could make more unique units like blue/pink horrors and bloodletters for each chaos faction. Btw, the new chaos lords and heroes introduced in this DLC also lack in varieties in my opinion.

The devs have to work with Games Workshop (the IP holder) and existing units from table top and lore before they add them to the game. Which may or exist in the first place. Monogod Daemons in particular have very low amount of units to add to the game.

[cb4n28]

Originally posted by PinguSpectre:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Yes, which is why it's 50 units and not around 10 or less like other lord packs.

Well, that's sad. Duplicated units should not be counted, but they're not "100%" the same, which makes me love and hate at the same time. I wish the devs could make more unique units like blue/pink horrors and bloodletters for each chaos faction. Btw, the new chaos lords and heroes introduced in this DLC also lack in varieties in my opinion.

I mean I wish the devs had made brand new Chaos units for each monogod factions based on 80s/90s Saturday Morning Cartoons. You'd have your Khornate Street Sharks, Nurglish Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Tzeentchian Biker Mice From Mars and of course Slaaneshi Wild West C.O.W.boys of Moo Mesa.

That would be awesome.


Unfortunately they have the Warhammer Fantasy license and have to base their content on what exists in Warhammer Fantasy, not my Saturday morning cartoon fantasies.

[PinguSpectre]

Originally posted by Mr.Soul:

I mean wasnt all copy paste of god variants(warshrines), which like let’s be real, what else expecting?

Most models through years are simply variations on the cast or even better, we’re intended to be kit bashed by player to rep specific aligned characters etc, not till more recently get dedicated releases for each god like see in AoS, ignoring named chars and daemons obviously.

Before CoC, WoC were essentially just archeons faction and represented his end time horde minus some key players like Valkia and Crom. Now not only get chars missing from that event but also dedicated factions for each mono god within scope of WoC, with, albeit simple variations, of units so can actually play w/e theme you want.

Alternative was they didn’t do this for WoC, and you’d be playing someone like Valkia with undivided units, pretending they’re khorne lol

Regardless of all that, if think they’re going to make 50 unique models for any faction in one update…no…no they won’t. Now could they describe what you get for the purchase a little more transparently? Ya probably lol

I think I got your point..? Sorry for having a hard time understanding what you are saying(I'm not a native speaker), but it's a little absurd for me to kinda somehow expect this DLC to actually have 50 new units while it's quite impossible due to the nature of a DLC. Maybe it's because CoC focuses more on the "followers" rather than the chaos gods themselves, so that's why the units aren't so different since they were once mortals(mainly humans)?

[PinguSpectre]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Originally posted by PinguSpectre:

Well, that's sad. Duplicated units should not be counted, but they're not "100%" the same, which makes me love and hate at the same time. I wish the devs could make more unique units like blue/pink horrors and bloodletters for each chaos faction. Btw, the new chaos lords and heroes introduced in this DLC also lack in varieties in my opinion.

Other than them, the only actually new units were just the warshrines (which also had variations for each god).
The next DLCs should all bring something actually new to at least 1 monogod race each - first one up is Tzeentch

That sounds possible, I just realized that maybe Champion of Chaos meant to focus on the "sub-chaos" factions, that's why their units have so many similarities.

[PinguSpectre]

Originally posted by cb4n28:

Originally posted by PinguSpectre:

Well, that's sad. Duplicated units should not be counted, but they're not "100%" the same, which makes me love and hate at the same time. I wish the devs could make more unique units like blue/pink horrors and bloodletters for each chaos faction. Btw, the new chaos lords and heroes introduced in this DLC also lack in varieties in my opinion.

I mean I wish the devs had made brand new Chaos units for each monogod factions based on 80s/90s Saturday Morning Cartoons. You'd have your Khornate Street Sharks, Nurglish Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Tzeentchian Biker Mice From Mars and of course Slaaneshi Wild West C.O.W.boys of Moo Mesa.

That would be awesome.


Unfortunately they have the Warhammer Fantasy license and have to base their content on what exists in Warhammer Fantasy, not my Saturday morning cartoon fantasies.

I see your point here but I didn't think that way, just wondering why so few unique units and that's all. I know that WH series are based on GameWorkshop's game, and I did not expect to see CA put a lot of original units or characters which don't belong to the Warhammer Fantasy into the game.

And plz no ninja turtles...

[cb4n28]

Originally posted by PinguSpectre:

Originally posted by cb4n28:

I mean I wish the devs had made brand new Chaos units for each monogod factions based on 80s/90s Saturday Morning Cartoons. You'd have your Khornate Street Sharks, Nurglish Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Tzeentchian Biker Mice From Mars and of course Slaaneshi Wild West C.O.W.boys of Moo Mesa.

That would be awesome.


Unfortunately they have the Warhammer Fantasy license and have to base their content on what exists in Warhammer Fantasy, not my Saturday morning cartoon fantasies.

I see your point here but I didn't think that way, just wondering why so few unique units and that's all. I know that WH series are based on GameWorkshop's game, and I did not expect to see CA put a lot of original units or characters which don't belong to the Warhammer Fantasy into the game.

And plz no ninja turtles...

I dunno Nurglish Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles seems like a pretty good idea to me. They do live in the sewer and eat pizza down there.


But yeah, CA is adapting Warhammer Fantasy tabletop/lore, and having dozens of variants of Chaos units is actually a pretty good way to represent certain aspects of the tradition of kitbashing in the tabletop

[Darth Alpharius]

Originally posted by PinguSpectre:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Yes, which is why it's 50 units and not around 10 or less like other lord packs.

Well, that's sad. Duplicated units should not be counted, but they're not "100%" the same, which makes me love and hate at the same time. I wish the devs could make more unique units like blue/pink horrors and bloodletters for each chaos faction. Btw, the new chaos lords and heroes introduced in this DLC also lack in varieties in my opinion.

Well on the Tabletop mono-god units were just recolors and used the same model as undivided units.

[PinguSpectre]

Originally posted by Darth Alpharius:

Originally posted by PinguSpectre:

Well, that's sad. Duplicated units should not be counted, but they're not "100%" the same, which makes me love and hate at the same time. I wish the devs could make more unique units like blue/pink horrors and bloodletters for each chaos faction. Btw, the new chaos lords and heroes introduced in this DLC also lack in varieties in my opinion.

Well on the Tabletop mono-god units were just recolors and used the same model as undivided units.

This makes Champion of Chaos more acceptable to me.

[[L9] Rhinopotamus]

What? Just... no, can we stop already?

[Lotor13]

Originally posted by Zeek:

The devs have to work with Games Workshop (the IP holder) and existing units from table top and lore before they add them to the game. Which may or exist in the first place.

they do it :)

[SpeaksTooFast]

IMO the DLC was one of the better ones they did, I can understand your disappointment but think that has more to do with them over marketing it than any lack of game play.

Many of the units are similar but for battlefield roles chosen of Nugle with great weapons are farther from their Tzeentch counterpart than Empire Greatswords are from halberds.