What makes you keep playing this game?

[Bolovo]

This is not a rant, i'm not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on this game, and if you disagree with my perception i'm not gonna argue.

With that in mind, what is actually fun about warhammer 3 for you? I ask this because i recently installed other, older total wars, and i was quite baffled at how numbed to some things i was after playing warhammer games for some time. I actually played most of the battles in my campaigns, and i enjoyed it. Magic, monster charges, heroic victories etc. but since i had to limit my playing time because of unrelated reasons, i started autoresolving most of the battles, since the outcome would be obvious anyway. But when i played older games (including games from 10-15 years - back shogun 2, medieval 2 and rome 1), I couldn't really justify to myself playing warhammer at the current state. To me, with the exception of chaos dwarfs, whose campaign can be quite fun because of the added multiple resource management (slaves, raw materials, armaments, forge etc) and variety of buildings, all campaigns boil down to cookie cutter builds in provinces that always have the "correct" distribution, the simplest resource management possible (gold) and/or overpowered and brainless secondary mechanics, even if extremely fun at points (like the ikit claw's or clan eshin's). And increasing the difficulty only makes the ai throw MORE things at you, which is mainly a problem in the early game only.

Now of course, this being a total war game, you should tell me "play the battles, then", but that's the point here. The battles i started autoresolving (the immense majority of them) are always clearly decided, either a clear victory or a clear defeat, so there is no point in playing them other for the slight gratification of seeing mayhem, and that's what irked me. I didn't enjoy the game for the campaign, and it seems to me that the other reason why i did makes no sense. I play on very hard/legendary campaign difficulties btw.

So essentially what i'm asking you are the following:
1 - What makes you play this game first and foremost ? Is it the campaign, the fact that it's warhammer, multiplayer, etc

2 - Am i wrong in my assessment, or is it that the game might simply not be for me?

[an entire Roman legion]

i like watching big battles

[Stranger]

Originally posted by Bolovo:

This is not a rant, i'm not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on this game, and if you disagree with my perception i'm not gonna argue.

With that in mind, what is actually fun about warhammer 3 for you? I ask this because i recently installed other, older total wars, and i was quite baffled at how numbed to some things i was after playing warhammer games for some time. I actually played most of the battles in my campaigns, and i enjoyed it. Magic, monster charges, heroic victories etc. but since i had to limit my playing time because of unrelated reasons, i started autoresolving most of the battles, since the outcome would be obvious anyway. But when i played older games (including games from 10-15 years - back shogun 2, medieval 2 and rome 1), I couldn't really justify to myself playing warhammer at the current state. To me, with the exception of chaos dwarfs, whose campaign can be quite fun because of the added multiple resource management (slaves, raw materials, armaments, forge etc) and variety of buildings, all campaigns boil down to cookie cutter builds in provinces that always have the "correct" distribution, the simplest resource management possible (gold) and/or overpowered and brainless secondary mechanics, even if extremely fun at points (like the ikit claw's or clan eshin's). And increasing the difficulty only makes the ai throw MORE things at you, which is mainly a problem in the early game only.

Now of course, this being a total war game, you should tell me "play the battles, then", but that's the point here. The battles i started autoresolving (the immense majority of them) are always clearly decided, either a clear victory or a clear defeat, so there is no point in playing them other for the slight gratification of seeing mayhem, and that's what irked me. I didn't enjoy the game for the campaign, and it seems to me that the other reason why i did makes no sense. I play on very hard/legendary campaign difficulties btw.

So essentially what i'm asking you are the following:
1 - What makes you play this game first and foremost ? Is it the campaign, the fact that it's warhammer, multiplayer, etc

2 - Am i wrong in my assessment, or is it that the game might simply not be for me?

Because I heavily use mods.

[adenn110881]

I played 1400 hours of TWW2 because I liked the setting and lore, plus the gameplay was refreshing.
I've only played 190 hours of TWW3 because the game has become a stale, buggy, unbalanced mess.
(Even more so than the previous one, which I could MOSTLY excuse and look past).

So to answer your question: Nothing.
Here's hoping 4.0 is better and I can come back.

[Bolovo]

Originally posted by Stranger:

Originally posted by Bolovo:

This is not a rant, i'm not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on this game, and if you disagree with my perception i'm not gonna argue.

With that in mind, what is actually fun about warhammer 3 for you? I ask this because i recently installed other, older total wars, and i was quite baffled at how numbed to some things i was after playing warhammer games for some time. I actually played most of the battles in my campaigns, and i enjoyed it. Magic, monster charges, heroic victories etc. but since i had to limit my playing time because of unrelated reasons, i started autoresolving most of the battles, since the outcome would be obvious anyway. But when i played older games (including games from 10-15 years - back shogun 2, medieval 2 and rome 1), I couldn't really justify to myself playing warhammer at the current state. To me, with the exception of chaos dwarfs, whose campaign can be quite fun because of the added multiple resource management (slaves, raw materials, armaments, forge etc) and variety of buildings, all campaigns boil down to cookie cutter builds in provinces that always have the "correct" distribution, the simplest resource management possible (gold) and/or overpowered and brainless secondary mechanics, even if extremely fun at points (like the ikit claw's or clan eshin's). And increasing the difficulty only makes the ai throw MORE things at you, which is mainly a problem in the early game only.

Now of course, this being a total war game, you should tell me "play the battles, then", but that's the point here. The battles i started autoresolving (the immense majority of them) are always clearly decided, either a clear victory or a clear defeat, so there is no point in playing them other for the slight gratification of seeing mayhem, and that's what irked me. I didn't enjoy the game for the campaign, and it seems to me that the other reason why i did makes no sense. I play on very hard/legendary campaign difficulties btw.

So essentially what i'm asking you are the following:
1 - What makes you play this game first and foremost ? Is it the campaign, the fact that it's warhammer, multiplayer, etc

2 - Am i wrong in my assessment, or is it that the game might simply not be for me?

Because I heavily use mods.

which ones do you recommend?

[chickabumpbump]

Mods too.

I wish my friends, of which many play Warhammer TT, had PC's or wanted to play this as Co op is my favourite form of gaming.

[Who trains thy hands for war?]

Cathay. addicted more than once
WH3 quality of life improvements
then some Blessed Dread, Vampirates

but Vampirates and other WH2 campaigns really need their cinematics

[Verchial]

I play for epic lopsided battles.

That rare chance I get to fight a 1v3 fullstacks and pull off a win when the auto result is decisive defeat.

The worse the odds the better.

[Zeek]

Huge Warhammer fan for about 2 decades.

Love roleplaying as my favorite factions and doing things they might do in game.

Battles are spectacular and fun.

There's no other game that combines turn based strategy + real time battles + warhammer as well as this game.

[Bolovo]

Originally posted by Zeek:

Huge Warhammer fan for about 2 decades.

Love roleplaying as my favorite factions and doing things they might do in game.

Battles are spectacular and fun.

There's no other game that combines turn based strategy + real time battles + warhammer as well as this game.

do you play on normal?

[Captain T1]

I'm waiting for Eldyra to be added as an LL.

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Bolovo:

Originally posted by Zeek:

Huge Warhammer fan for about 2 decades.

Love roleplaying as my favorite factions and doing things they might do in game.

Battles are spectacular and fun.

There's no other game that combines turn based strategy + real time battles + warhammer as well as this game.

do you play on normal?

VH/VH mostly. I'll drop down to Hard if I'm not familiar with the faction.

[Bolovo]

Originally posted by Zeek:

Originally posted by Bolovo:

do you play on normal?

VH/VH mostly. I'll drop down to Hard if I'm not familiar with the faction.

hmm i mostly asked because i too tend to think yours is the best way to play such games. But i find that most factions on higher difficulties don't really "allow" for roleplaying. Take the empire for example. Playing on VH/Legendary is really a matter of archer spam, optimizing battle outcomes and trying to cheese festus. Which is frankly boring. I only start to have fun after i am already big and can field more varied actual armies. Anyway, perhaps i am not that good as to allow for what you wrote.

[Mazisky]

The thing is that even with the buggy mess, it is still the biggest and most ambitious fantasy strategy game out there, and it is unmatched in terms of content, production values and presentation.

The curse of the Total War Warhammer franchise is that when you have that fantasy strategy itch and want to play Age of Wonders, Spellforce 3 and similar games you always end with:

"Why playing those? I can just play TW Warhammer".

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Bolovo:

Originally posted by Zeek:

VH/VH mostly. I'll drop down to Hard if I'm not familiar with the faction.

hmm i mostly asked because i too tend to think yours is the best way to play such games. But i find that most factions on higher difficulties don't really "allow" for roleplaying. Take the empire for example. Playing on VH/Legendary is really a matter of archer spam, optimizing battle outcomes and trying to cheese festus. Which is frankly boring. I only start to have fun after i am already big and can field more varied actual armies. Anyway, perhaps i am not that good as to allow for what you wrote.

Personally I find that you don't really need to rely on things like archer spam or other gimmicks as much in game 3 as you did in game 2. They've tried to reduce that kind of stuff with nerfs to ranged units, removal of supply lines (mostly), buffs to melee, etc.

That being said, I do save scum quite a bit to cover my screw ups and use a couple mods to reduce some of the frankly ridiculous bonuses the AI get at higher difficulty (looking at you 4+ recruit capacity, 80+% attrition resistance, these things are just tedious and unfun to me). I play this game single player only, late at night, and sometimes a bit drunk so I want to be challenged while still have fun :P

Regarding Empire specifically, I haven't played it for several months but last I did I was Franz and found it enjoyable to role-play as the Emperor keeping the empire from being destroyed on multiple fronts.

[Jukelo]

Been into Warhammer since I was 13 (so, over 2 decades ago), been into TW for almost as long, so this is the obvious and perfect match.
I don't have an issue with variety since I like to do thematic runs and roleplay, regardless of what is meta. VH/VH offers me enough leeway to allow less than optimal play. My last Imrik run in WH2 was all about spamming dragon princes and no archers/SoAs.

As for auto-resolve spam... that's not an issue isolated to TW:WH. Past a certain point in any similar game you just auto because you've moved past the early game to the point where your future doesn't hinge on maximizing resource use anymore, and the stakes don't justify the mental stamina required to play every battle. That's been true since the days of Master of Magic.