Boris Ursus Immortal Empire start is BS

[Aradner]

You have 3 full chaos stacks, Archaon already on his horse with multi-god high tier army, his slave tribe, ALSO with full stacks, and demons of Tzeentch that can comfortably attack any of 2 settlements on the opposite side to Archaon. And all of this is on your ass before you can build any defensive building, even if you rush straight to it. And ofcourse Archaon starts with a hellcannon. Why is Boris' campaign gatekept by the most annoying start ever?

[Chief Minister of Gaming]

add to. to play list.

[yuzhonglu]

They should make Chaos Wastes suitable climate for Boris so he has more of an incentive to stay there.

[bischof11]

Messaggio originale di Bloodwyrm Wildheart:

Messaggio originale di bischof11:

isnt the whole selling point of his faction to stay in the chaos waste?

I've always seen it as a starting point from which to eventually migrate and fight his way back home.
He even has at least one unique passive voiceline when he makes it back to Kislevite territory.
I guess you could stay there if you wanted a more challenging experience, but obviously anyone who does that wouldn't be complaining about difficulty.

Y thats true

[Mettle]

building up anything chaos wastes is suicide in the early game, kislev has no worthwhile economy buildings outside of its 3 major cities. Just sack and raise your way across the wastes and eventually go liberate praag/erengrad/kislev.

[omns9491]

In my recent Boris campaign on Legendary/Very Hard I did a weird start. I took the the tower of torment and recruited 2 kossars plus a lord. Marched to frozen landing and took it. Marched to Yetchich and sold Frozen Landing to the dwarfs. Marched to Bechafen and traded Yetchich for a military access with the other Kislev faction (important). Took Bechafen and double teamed on Drycha with Vlad, then took out Vlad. Following this I focused on taking out Festus and it was game over. Easy mode from here.

[Mettle]

Messaggio originale di yuzhonglu:

They should make Chaos Wastes suitable climate for Boris so he has more of an incentive to stay there.

I don't think the problem is boris, its just kislevs minor settlement buildings are ALL terrible in general. The WHOLE THING top to bottom. garrisons, terrible. economy buildings, terrible. settlement buildings, pretty awful deal, etc.

It's just so, so much better to only raze and sack with them until you can find the time to grab praag, kislev, or erengard as an actual settlement worth holding.

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On the flip side of this equation -- Boris's starting army can auto resolve almost anything in the game (with one obvious exception), so you're basically free to go where you want and just burn and sack your way until 200k gold and level 40 if you so choose.

By then AI's should have built up Kislev's main settlements to level 4/5 where I can then swoop in and start conferderating or occupying them in war and then go from there.

Kislevs main cities give massive global recruitment bonuses and the city defenses are so strong its very easy to leave minor lords defending and never have to go back home again after that. With the rest of my income coming pretty much exclusively from trade deals and taking minor settlements just for more trade goods (selling the rest of them I do not need to NPC allies for a tidy profit)

pretty easy campaign once you give up the idea of rushing WoC's OP starting armies and just come back around to kill them later on.

The only real hiccup I run into later on is keeping other order factions alive. Typically boris has to go on a journey to Cathay for example if you want them to last as a trading partner. (warriors of misrule and now chaos dwarfs both end up curb stomping the Cathay AI). And needs to save the dwarfs from their starting enemies. And solve the empires problem with vampires, etc. work work.

[Mettle]

Messaggio originale di yuzhonglu:

They should make Chaos Wastes suitable climate for Boris so he has more of an incentive to stay there.

The climate isn't fully suitable but he does remove most the penalties. He actually does pretty well building there. It's just that Kislev has no buildings worth having anywhere except in their big main cities. cannot understate how terrible their minor settlment *everything* is. BIG EXPENSIVE COSTS and extremely low returns. indefensible with garrison armies and minor lords alone. with too many enemies in every direction to make even trying worth the time and effort it takes. better to just burn it all down until you can hold it late on, after wiping out the big named opponents.

[SpeaksTooFast]

Messaggio originale di Leth:

The climate isn't fully suitable but he does remove most the penalties. He actually does pretty well building there.

Agree with this part.

Messaggio originale di Leth:

It's just that Kislev has no buildings worth having anywhere except in their big main cities. cannot understate how terrible their minor settlment *everything* is. BIG EXPENSIVE COSTS and extremely low returns.

Not so much this one, have not taken any of the big 3 cities in my campaign yet as Kostaltyn is doing a great job securing my southern border and my building income is 45.3k.

[Dizciple]

Boris is hard but doable just save often lol. I'm at turn 90 and I've wrecked everyone to the right down from my friends in Cathay down to the dragon master elves minus one chaos dwarf faction. The Chaos guys that begin on left from start are still there. I think the balance is off cause I have three full armies working at them and have only taken two of there settlements. They are ridiculously strong.
I have also taken out skaven and confederated kislev and ropeclan or whatever they are and I am in vampire land atm. I've allied with empire who are top 5 in my game and dwarves who are top 10-20.
Boris when top tier is available and a few bear bears are thrown in won't be stopped by much. Early game is a challenge, mid game needs alot of strategy especially given the bugs in game, and late game is command and conquer with little regard to enemy.
Make friends and have them do some work for you while hiring their soldiers, it's cheaper and they are a good meat shield... I mean buffer..err..uhh ally.
My two cents.

[diogoqv83]

Messaggio originale di Leth:

Messaggio originale di yuzhonglu:

They should make Chaos Wastes suitable climate for Boris so he has more of an incentive to stay there.

The climate isn't fully suitable but he does remove most the penalties. He actually does pretty well building there. It's just that Kislev has no buildings worth having anywhere except in their big main cities. cannot understate how terrible their minor settlment *everything* is. BIG EXPENSIVE COSTS and extremely low returns. indefensible with garrison armies and minor lords alone. with too many enemies in every direction to make even trying worth the time and effort it takes. better to just burn it all down until you can hold it late on, after wiping out the big named opponents.

Kislev faction is about defend homeland and fight chaos, not conquer the world.

[Basarab Laiota]

Messaggio originale di diogoqv83:

Kislev faction is about defend homeland and fight chaos, not conquer the world.

Says who? I'll be taking those delicious Empire and Dwarf settlements, thankyouveddymuch!

[BigRockWall]

Messaggio originale di diogoqv83:

Messaggio originale di Leth:

The climate isn't fully suitable but he does remove most the penalties. He actually does pretty well building there. It's just that Kislev has no buildings worth having anywhere except in their big main cities. cannot understate how terrible their minor settlment *everything* is. BIG EXPENSIVE COSTS and extremely low returns. indefensible with garrison armies and minor lords alone. with too many enemies in every direction to make even trying worth the time and effort it takes. better to just burn it all down until you can hold it late on, after wiping out the big named opponents.

Kislev faction is about defend homeland and fight chaos, not conquer the world.

Except his victory conditions tell him to conquer, or raze, most of the chaos wastes and norsca.

[diogoqv83]

I just started a boris campaign today to see the "Most dificult of all". Its the easiest i ever played. If you just buy level 1 kossars and put points in red line for the bears, your army will autoresolve everything without take ANY damage. Just stupid. When you autoresolve, your host usually take severe damage, but not with boris with bears, they make even kossars untouchable in autoresolve. Its just autowin and people are complainning about this ♥♥♥♥? I just quit, maybe when they nerf this crap i come back.

[Toaster Maximus]

Its meant to be hard he lets his daughter have the kingdom and he wants to stop chaos for his god, a noble and hard goal many have failed and he thinks he can do better not to mention isn't the demon prince like his son so some punishments are in order

[omns9491]

Messaggio originale di diogoqv83:

I just started a boris campaign today to see the "Most dificult of all". Its the easiest i ever played. If you just buy level 1 kossars and put points in red line for the bears, your army will autoresolve everything without take ANY damage. Just stupid. When you autoresolve, your host usually take severe damage, but not with boris with bears, they make even kossars untouchable in autoresolve. Its just autowin and people are complainning about this ♥♥♥♥? I just quit, maybe when they nerf this crap i come back.

legendary?