LOTR Orcs are far superior to WH Greenskins

[Red-_-Monkey]

Everything about LOTR orcs screams brutality and power. Primal Bloodlust and feasting on flesh. Fast and indefatigable.

WH orcs. Basically cartoons. Have funny sidekicks (goblins). Slow, goonish and fat. Silly voices.

Out of all the races in WH I'm shocked to think that Greenskins are the most out-of-place race in the world. All races have some kind of aspirations for conquest. Every other race is serious and determined. Greenskins could have been so much better and darker.

[capybaras are cool]

tell me about your favorite lotr orc characters. thats right, they dont ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ exist lol

[capybaras are cool]

Originally posted by Mu:

WH40 is supposed to be grimdark but this game sterilizes a lot of that aspect, compare the artillery crew of Warriors of Chaos in WH1 to Chaos Dwarves in WH3 to see the stark difference in presentation.

40k is literally meant to sell to children and a lot of the design decisions make more sense when viewed thru that lens.

[Hex]

Originally posted by capybaras are cool:

Originally posted by Mu:

WH40 is supposed to be grimdark but this game sterilizes a lot of that aspect, compare the artillery crew of Warriors of Chaos in WH1 to Chaos Dwarves in WH3 to see the stark difference in presentation.

40k is literally meant to sell to children and a lot of the design decisions make more sense when viewed thru that lens.

Age of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ certainly is aimed at kids. Shame no one at GW ever considered that kids can't possibly afford to buy the models.

[epicbod]

Anything out of place with Warhammer Greenskins is out of place in Warhammer. While I appreciate PJ's work as much as anyone, the Freddy Krugar Orc knockoffs are less inspired. At least he didn't just copy GW Greenskins and water them down like some others..

[Lucius]

I can't believe nobody mentioned that lotr orcs are actually goblins.

[Golfbag Mansampler]

Originally posted by Hurricane:

Maybe play shadow of the horned rat and tell me who's not brutal...

Skaven and orcs are absolute savages...

But yes wh3 does make them look like a comedy act.

Lore wise they are way more destructive than lotrs... zero hostages taken everything killed

Man, I wish Horned Rat and Dark Omen had a re-release with better controls.

Two of the best WH games ever made. Even now the campaign and battle music is the best from the entire franchise. Makes TW:WH battle music sound like poo.

This just makes one want to brace against a horde, standing beside his brothers in a pike line:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh3zt5PwrfY&list=PL720FA12366A94360

[Golfbag Mansampler]

Shout out to the Mark of Chaos games as well for excellent OSTs and overall immersion.

TW has done great with WH, but these older games, with their 80s/90s fantasy aesthetic just feels more.... warhammery.

[Dan]

Originally posted by Fauci High Priest of Nurgle:

Shout out to the Mark of Chaos games as well for excellent OSTs and overall immersion.

TW has done great with WH, but these older games, with their 80s/90s fantasy aesthetic just feels more.... warhammery.

Yep the Mark of chaos games were almost perfect for capturing the immersion of the setting, in some regards superior to TWWH.

Great game. have some points

[Hieronymous]

Originally posted by Crocodile:

I can't believe nobody mentioned that lotr orcs are actually goblins.

Well dye my hair and call me a soi boi, but Ima hafta ask you for your source on that one.

[BigRockWall]

Originally posted by Hieronymous:

Originally posted by Crocodile:

I can't believe nobody mentioned that lotr orcs are actually goblins.

Well dye my hair and call me a soi boi, but Ima hafta ask you for your source on that one.

Depends on who you ask. Tolkien said both at different points.

Edit - But if you would like a specific reference - Source Wikipedia "Orc"

The term "orc" is used only once in the first edition of Tolkien's 1937 The Hobbit, which preferred the term "goblins". "Orc" was later used ubiquitously in The Lord of the Rings. The "orc-" element occurs the sword name Orcrist, which is given as its Elvish language name, and it is glossed as "Goblin-cleaver".

[Puggly the Grey]

Originally posted by Hieronymous:

Originally posted by Crocodile:

I can't believe nobody mentioned that lotr orcs are actually goblins.

Well dye my hair and call me a soi boi, but Ima hafta ask you for your source on that one.

It effectively started back in the Hobbit, in Tolkien’s works Goblin and Orc are just synonyms for the same kind of creature.

In-universe, the orcs from the Misty Mountains were generally referred to as Goblins by the peoples living in Breeland and the Anduin Vale.

The Elves of Mirkwood called them Orchs Yrchs when speaking their own tongue, but when conversing with their human neighbors/allies from further North, they’d use the local human vernacular.

EDIT: WAIT! I got it wrong, Orch is the Sindarin word for Orc, the elves of Mirkwood speak Silvan not Sindarin, their word for Orc is Yrch.

[Hieronymous]

I am literally 10 pages away from the end of the 3rd book in the trilogy and thought goblins and orcs were different the whole time.

Dang.

[Golfbag Mansampler]

Originally posted by Hieronymous:

I am literally 10 pages away from the end of the 3rd book .

Oh! Oh! Can I ruin the ending for you?

[Golfbag Mansampler]

Sauron is Frodo's father.

[Hieronymous]

NooOooOoo