DLC Pay To Win

[moradim]

This next DLC is clearly pay to win. ( I know, it's hard to write in an essentially single player game but that's absolutly what this DLC suggests to me)



Two of the lords in this DLC are way above all the other existing lords if they are allowed to develop a little.

The changeling stacks buffs like crazy. Ostrianka is even worse: she stacks sick buffs and debuffs (check your favorite streamers' streams with these lords if you don't believe me).
To believe that the power of these two is the only valid justification for the excessive price of this DLC.

But beyond that, it's all the already not glorious balance of the game that will get worse with these two totally OP lords.

[Zeek]

How do you Pay to Win in a single player game with an endless supply of cheat mods at your disposal?

[Bashir Al-amole]

Originally posted by Zeek:

How do you Pay to Win in a single player game with an endless supply of cheat mods at your disposal?

magic I guess.

[Valthejean]

Originally posted by Zeek:

How do you Pay to Win in a single player game with an endless supply of cheat mods at your disposal?

To be fair, CA did recently take out a lot of player power (and cheese for that matter) prior to the release of the WoC and Chorf dlcs, then basically put in the same kinds of power and cheese in them.

It doesn't matter in terms of balance, because like you said it's a single player game. But it is a bit annoying that they took out things for the sake of balance, and then put in equal (if not worse) imbalance to make DLC content more desirable.

[Red Bat]

The term "pay to win" is a bit loosely applied here, but IDK why we are complaining about this now when it's always been the case.

Generally speaking the DLC lords are better than the free ones in their specific faction aside from possibly having individually worse stats sometimes. DLC lords usually are better than FLC lords even.

It's most exaggerated with Skaven, who have some of the best lords in the entire series paywalled. But in addition to that, they can't even get their signature weapon team units without a DLC, meaning their faction is just outright missing a faction defining part of their roster.

[Vinnie DAngelo]

Of all the possible threads that a person can find for Total War never did I imagine someone could write one about the game/dlc being PTW. He also tried explaining to... oof

[Cacomistle]

All of the lord packs are, in a sense, pay to win. They give you more unit options which tends to make you more powerful. Pay to win just isn't really a big issue in single player, at least not in the minor form TWWH3 has (I think it can be a big deal if paying makes you like 10x stronger).

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by moradim:

This next DLC is clearly pay to win.

Are you a time-traveller from the far-flung furutre?

Because if not, how on Earth would you know how a couple of not-yet-released DLC lords play, at all?

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by moradim:

This next DLC is clearly pay to win.

Are you a time-traveller from the far-flung furutre?

Because if not, how on Earth would you know how a couple of not-yet-released DLC lords play, at all?

Its been released to streamers and youtubers. So you can see what they do.

[R131]

With teleport ambush and lightning strike being present in the game, it isnt viable for competitive campaign pvp anyway.

[Yoda32001]

In a single player game? lol

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Cacomistle:

So you can see what they do.

So someone watches someone ELSE play with a toy for 10-20 minutes and screams, "OMG OP!!!!" without actually trying it themselves, gotcha.

[moradim]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by Cacomistle:

So you can see what they do.

So someone watches someone ELSE play with a toy for 10-20 minutes and screams, "OMG OP!!!!" without actually trying it themselves, gotcha.

I watched two streamers just today ( it's my day off ) playing with ostrianka . One played more than 5 hours with it i.e. all afternoon and the another for 4 hours, that is to say the whole evening.
And the two streamers and all their communities on twitch came to the same conclusion (2300 people in total for today). Ostrianka and changelling are totally above all other lords in the game if allowed to develop a bit.

4 and 5 hours of stream, we are far from 10 to 20 min as you describe it. If you want I will give you the nicknames of the two streamers.

[Red Bat]

Originally posted by moradim:

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

So someone watches someone ELSE play with a toy for 10-20 minutes and screams, "OMG OP!!!!" without actually trying it themselves, gotcha.

I watched two streamers just today ( it's my day off ) playing with ostrianka . One played more than 5 hours with it i.e. all afternoon and the another for 4 hours, that is to say the whole evening.
And the two streamers and all their communities on twitch came to the same conclusion (2300 people in total for today). Ostrianka and changelling are totally above all other lords in the game if allowed to develop a bit.

4 and 5 hours of stream, we are far from 10 to 20 min as you describe it. If you want I will give you the nicknames of the two streamers.

I seriously doubt they are above Skarbrand, Taurox, and Ikit.

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by Cacomistle:

So you can see what they do.

So someone watches someone ELSE play with a toy for 10-20 minutes and screams, "OMG OP!!!!" without actually trying it themselves, gotcha.

Honestly its not very hard to figure out if stuff is op, at least not in blatant cases (and total war warhammer is very blatant about its ops). I don't know what the new lords get so I won't make any judgements, but figuring out for instance that Ikit Claw was really strong on release was super easy. He was regular skaven, but also all his Skryre units are way better and he gets nukes. Do I need to play it 20 hours to figure out its good?

The real thing is, the game by design makes stuff op in the player's hands. So op dlc stuff is just par for the course.

Well for single player at least. MP stuff isn't op by default so you actually have to figure out if its overpowered or not. Even there though, its not hard for an experienced player to figure out if something is good or bad, its just a question of how good/bad. I'm not an experienced TW multiplayer player, but its less complicated than other rts games, and I've seen a lot of things that did not take 30 hours of gameplay to figure out they were broken (if you played Coh3 on release you'll know what I mean, and that was a full new game not just dlc).

[DarkStar]

I get your point and it's always been this way, new lords are always busted.

But ehh the whole game is easy enough. According to a video from a content creator the ai got even dumber. Soon people will be able to just autoresolve their way through campaigns in the ultimate power fantasy.