buff skarbrand

[IIFriggII]

his supposedly the most powerful single combatten in their universe, ignoring gods, and in actual play he get royally wooped by every dual lord in the game; he is ridiculessly expensive, his slow, he can't fly, he has very few redeeming qualities and he get hardcountered by Every army you would ever make for any lvl of serious play.

i think skarbrand should be an absolute monster on the battle field, the counter should be that he is "slow" so you can tie him up with hordes of low tier speed mobs, but whenever he is fighting he should be winning and whenever he is fighting high value it should be worth it.

focusing him with range should be laugheble, he should have insane resistances, bc he has no healing and his hp is low for such an expensive and huge monster.

else he should get his flying back.
he is made by the warp energy, not a physical form there is no reason his wings should not be remade, also even if they wont he is clearly not carrying his weight on those tiny wings, so its clear magic is involved;

either way i find skarbrand to be depressingly weak in comparison to other lords of his pricepoint.
(also kugath absolutely tramples skarbrand in a fight, even more if it is not solo fights, which is just not cool... this guy made a mark on a literal God but he gets owned by a fatblob surrounded by poison, plague, and sickness; that's just not cool (even though i love pappa nurgle, all hail nurgle; just in case we get sick).

[Enelith]

Yeaaa... No.

Also, he can't fly anymore bcs Khorne made it this way after punching him hard and sending him flying for 7 days before crashing somewhere.

Regardless, he's still a monster on battlefield, regardless of what you'd like him to be in your monologue.
Make your own mod instead to buff him if you're unsatisfied with him, instead of asking for something clearly overpowered (also definitely boring).

[Isaac]

agree. skarbrand himself is rather weak. losing in a direct fight against kugath is just so embarrasing, and besides fighting he has nothing going for him.

[IIFriggII]

Originally posted by Enelith:

Yeaaa... No.

Also, he can't fly anymore bcs Khorne made it this way after punching him hard and sending him flying for 7 days before crashing somewhere.

Regardless, he's still a monster on battlefield, regardless of what you'd like him to be in your monologue.
Make your own mod instead to buff him if you're unsatisfied with him, instead of asking for something clearly overpowered (also definitely boring).

pretty sure he got thrown not punched.
also he lost his mind more than his wings, but thats ignored in gameplay.

also this is not for some monolog, its because it feels super bad that skarbrand is so damn weak that you will not see him in competitive play (for other than lolz) and in solo play he really doesn't feel like skarbrand before you speced him with so much stuff you could make any character an immortal battlefield god (immortal games).

so yer. he just is too weak for his price point and it doesnt make sense from lore either.

edit:
lastly i already made a mod which makes it much better; it also fixes the stupid charge issues, issues with not attacking etc. bs that we get annoyed with on big entities; someone should really make one for ALL large and huge entities bc its needed. but not me, no time no patience and i dont need the other lords to not just bug out and stagger into someone for 30 seconds instead of doing their attack ;)
edit 2;
if you are interested it is the distance for charge min and max that screws it up, set min down to 5m, and max to whatever distance you would like to charge at (be aware this can allow you to charge out of a situation you couldnt before and it changes balance a lot. minimum just fixes the issues of standing still and not attacking bs)

[Garatgh Deloi]

potentially buffing him a bit, sure. Giving him his flying back, no. Its well cemented in the lore that he can't fly anymore.

Originally posted by Isaac:

agree. skarbrand himself is rather weak. losing in a direct fight against kugath is just so embarrasing, and besides fighting he has nothing going for him.

More of a argument to nerf Ku'gath then a argument to buff Skarbrand. Unless i'm mistaken Ku'gath is the strongest legendary lord, in a one on one duel, atm.

[Ooh-la-la, It's GAGA!!]

well they did nerf him, so dont hope for a buff

[Ooh-la-la, It's GAGA!!]

and its logical that he is now weaker then valkya, she is khorne favorite now isnt she, and i know why - look at those hips!

[Ooh-la-la, It's GAGA!!]

also scarbrandy lost all his mojo, just look at him, he is wearing corset!

[IIFriggII]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

potentially buffing him a bit, sure. Giving him his flying back, no. Its well cemented in the lore that he can't fly anymore.

Originally posted by Isaac:

agree. skarbrand himself is rather weak. losing in a direct fight against kugath is just so embarrasing, and besides fighting he has nothing going for him.

More of a argument to nerf Ku'gath then a argument to buff Skarbrand. Unless i'm mistaken Ku'gath is the strongest legendary lord, in a one on one duel, atm.

pick any competitive dual character and i can garantee you that it will own skarbrand in an actual fight.

skarbrand is WAY too expensive and he is countered by LITERALLY EVERYTHING EXCEPT emm .. emmm...... hmmmm ...
what doesn't counter skarbrand?... ehh mass sword infantry?.. hmm nope totally destroy skarbrand price wise and takes skarbrand 45years to kill even if he didnt die by it.
so ranged? no all ranged absolutely destroy skarbrand...
so large entities? nope price wise skarbrand will get hammered by basically every large entity unit. especially if support from armies are allowed.
so single target entities? nope ALL single target entities will have a lot of support for same price and will absolutely hammer skarbrand, big entities such as gorgons are vastly cheaper and will STILL do an absolute hammering to skarbrand and THEY HEAL which skarbrand don't.

like come on, give us as scenario where skarbrand could possibly make back his cost and strategic sacrifice by having him :P
dare you :D
should be a turin challenge; make skarbrand work in a high lvl competitive enviroment :P

[IIFriggII]

Originally posted by Ooh-la-la, It's GAGA!!:

and its logical that he is now weaker then valkya, she is khorne favorite now isnt she, and i know why - look at those hips!

he lost his mind and his wings, not his power.
he is wielding two weapons each made of the most powerful of khorns followers at that time, which is the old times where EVERYTHING was x10+ power scale.
and he is literally the ONLY greater demon powerfull enough, and bold enough, to EVER clink a Chaos God, especially chinking khorns scale is impressive by a non-god ^^

so yer; he really should be insane still, just no tactic bc no brain working :P

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Frigg:

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I'm not saying that he shouldn't be buffed, Just that the argument that Ku'gath beats him is more of a argument that Ku'gath should be nerfed.

Originally posted by Frigg:

he lost his mind and his wings, not his power.
he is wielding two weapons each made of the most powerful of khorns followers at that time, which is the old times where EVERYTHING was x10+ power scale.
and he is literally the ONLY greater demon powerfull enough, and bold enough, to EVER clink a Chaos God, especially chinking khorns scale is impressive by a non-god ^^

so yer; he really should be insane still, just no tactic bc no brain working :P

If he lost favor with his god then he most likely also lost power since for a greater deamon the god is the source of said power.

At least that is generally how it works.

[IIFriggII]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by Frigg:

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I'm not saying that he shouldn't be buffed, Just that the argument that Ku'gath beats him is more of a argument that Ku'gath should be nerfed.

Originally posted by Frigg:

he lost his mind and his wings, not his power.
he is wielding two weapons each made of the most powerful of khorns followers at that time, which is the old times where EVERYTHING was x10+ power scale.
and he is literally the ONLY greater demon powerfull enough, and bold enough, to EVER clink a Chaos God, especially chinking khorns scale is impressive by a non-god ^^

so yer; he really should be insane still, just no tactic bc no brain working :P

If he lost favor with his god then he most likely also lost power since for a greater deamon the god is the source of said power.

At least that is generally how it works.

yes kugath seems too powerfull.
the fact he can fight double gorgon, or crush skarbrand, or any lord or entity for that matter, is just silly. yes his supposed to survive a lot but his spitting out a billion more dmg than khorns skarbrand can even dream off and skarbrand is all about MAJOR dmg then die in a glory of blood and gore; which is more like a pefffw of sad noice as he goes right now :P

nothing indicates the power is the "gods" once you have it its there forever. it is not something that can be taken, its simply his "growth" of size, strneght and ability.

as for lost favor, its not correct;
yes khorn was furious but skarbrand is still his most favorit tool, now more than ever bc now his just a raging killing machine that khorn throws where ever he needs carnage and skarbrand has never done a better job at it.
so while khorn is furious for him betraying him; nothing says he would lose the favor of khorns blessings as he is still the "favorit tool" and better than ever.

[Jack Greedy]

Nah, he is strong, i rolled through a campaign map in my last camp as him , as a knife through the butter.

[strike478]

He should be more powerfull in melee. I would gave him 2-3 more points of weapon skill and slightly more damage. Then I would looked what will happen.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by Jack Greedy:

Nah, he is strong, i rolled through a campaign map in my last camp as him , as a knife through the butter.

From reading, i'm fairly sure its about mp, is it op?
On the campaign he's fine.

[IIFriggII]

Originally posted by Fryskar:

Originally posted by Jack Greedy:

Nah, he is strong, i rolled through a campaign map in my last camp as him , as a knife through the butter.

From reading, i'm fairly sure its about mp, is it op?
On the campaign he's fine.

Yer it's mostly from an MP perspective ^^
would like to see him more and have him be viable. like ku'gath is there EVERY time you see a nurgle, Demon of dark something is there EVERY time you see chaos, etc.
i just want to have skarbrand be a Valid option to bring for khorn ^^

edit;
and also thehell is with the dark-lord being so ridiculessly strong? i mean OMFG you seen the tournament of turin? where he is send straight into ratling fire, double lockdown, jumped by ratogres etc. and he lose like 85% hp, naa no biggie, and he performs as well as a high tier lord at 15% hp from start xD

damn talk about a character that needs the nerf bat, i mean how are people not on board with buffing skarbrand but ok with this dude :P