kind of weird fantasy factions even stand a chance against chaos.

[Amogus]

For demons that can face tank, bolter rounds, Lascannons, melta guns, cutting through genetically engineered super solders, even fight a war titan as big as a mountain, they can't steam roll a bunch of medieval guys with steel swords and matchlock guns... Abadon the despoiler dropped a battlestation size of a moon to destroy cadia, what is the chaos in fantasy doing?

.imagine tyrnid decent upon warhammer fantasy lol. instant nom nom.

[Amogus]

Messaggio originale di Soka Ried:

warhammer fantasy =/= warhammer 40k

things might look the same or have the same names but they function differently therefore 40k daemons are not the same as fantasy daemons and thusly have different power levels

you sure? because looking at the lore they both draw power from the warp, they both share the same main chaos gods, and they also both take the same appearances. chaos in fantasy is idendeical copy of 40k ones, they even have chaos space marines, the only thing missing in fantasy is they don't have demon prince based on the fallen pimrachs. like angron for khorn,

[abyssalfury]

The Warhammer setting is ultimately just part of the Great Game. Even if you acknowledge the 40K connection, it makes perfect sense that the Chaos Gods would nerf their followers to be on 'equal' footing with their opponents as part of the Game.

[Nox]

Messaggio originale di Someguyinhere:

Messaggio originale di Of Iron and Gold:

The races of Warhammer Fantasy do lose and the world explodes. 40k and Fantasy are also seperate. 40k is the space copy of Fantasy but they're not actually connected.

Endtimes lore is garbage and Chaos realistically would have stood zero chance.

The so called Pact of Covenants is also complete bullcrap.

There is just no way Khorne, Slaanesh, Tzeentch and Nurgle would sign some form of military alliance, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ way.

[Amogus]

Messaggio originale di abyssalfury:

The Warhammer setting is ultimately just part of the Great Game. Even if you acknowledge the 40K connection, it makes perfect sense that the Chaos Gods would nerf their followers to be on 'equal' footing with their opponents as part of the Game.

That is true for Orks, Orks do scale with who they facing so Orks in fantasy make perfect sense but don't know about elves, mabye they are not related to Eldars in 40k, just some seperate xeno, and dwarf and squats are different, but chaos gods should just steam roll this planet and let the imperium come in for a bigger soul pie.

[Soka Ried]

Messaggio originale di WAFFLE:

you sure? because looking at the lore they both draw power from the warp, they both share the same main chaos gods, and they also both take the same appearances. chaos in fantasy is idendeical copy of 40k ones, they even have chaos space marines, the only thing missing in fantasy is they don't have demon prince based on the fallen pimrachs. like angron for khorn,

yes I am sure. there is no "warp" in warhammer fantasy. there is only the realms of chaos. there are no "psychic powers" there is only the winds of magic. where does warhammer fantasy have "chaos space marines"?

warhammer fantasy and 40k used to be "in the same universe" but they have moved away from each other quite a lot.

edit: also chaos constantly takes over worlds in 40k but can't manage to take over the old world in hundreds of years while trying with all 4 chaos gods at the same time? why are they not warping in CSM and burn the place down in a day or two?

[Hex]

Messaggio originale di Someguyinhere:

Messaggio originale di Of Iron and Gold:

The races of Warhammer Fantasy do lose and the world explodes. 40k and Fantasy are also seperate. 40k is the space copy of Fantasy but they're not actually connected.

Endtimes lore is garbage and Chaos realistically would have stood zero chance.

I like the Storm of Chaos version better where Grimgor kicks Archie in the nuts, calls him a ♥♥♥♥♥ and then casually walks away to find something else to bash.

[Hex]

Messaggio originale di WAFFLE:

Messaggio originale di Soka Ried:

warhammer fantasy =/= warhammer 40k

things might look the same or have the same names but they function differently therefore 40k daemons are not the same as fantasy daemons and thusly have different power levels

you sure? because looking at the lore they both draw power from the warp, they both share the same main chaos gods, and they also both take the same appearances. chaos in fantasy is idendeical copy of 40k ones, they even have chaos space marines, the only thing missing in fantasy is they don't have demon prince based on the fallen pimrachs. like angron for khorn,

It was originally supposed to be just fantasy in the future, but then moved away from it to have more freedom. There's even a "mysterious giant man who appeared out of a magical rift, wearing a strange silver armor, speaking in a strange accent and shooting fire from his hand" which is obviously a Grey Knight in one of the old books.

While some things are the same, they are not the same thing. It's not just Chaos, btw, Greenskin Waagh works the same way as Ork Waagh in 40k, and Eldar are just High Elves. Erudites are Wood Elvs and Dark Eldar are just Dark Elves with a different story. There's even Dwarfs and Hobbits in 40k, just a bit obscure because it's so focused on speis muhrines, but they are there. Then there's the Necrons which are obviously just terminator versions of Tomb Kings.

[Amogus]

Messaggio originale di Hex:

It was originally supposed to be just fantasy in the future, but then moved away from it to have more freedom. There's even a "mysterious giant man who appeared out of a magical rift, wearing a strange silver armor, speaking in a strange accent and shooting fire from his hand" which is obviously a Grey Knight in one of the old books.

While some things are the same, they are not the same thing. It's not just Chaos, btw, Greenskin Waagh works the same way as Ork Waagh in 40k, and Eldar are just High Elves. Erudites are Wood Elvs and Dark Eldar are just Dark Elves with a different story. There's even Dwarfs and Hobbits in 40k, just a bit obscure because it's so focused on speis muhrines, but they are there. Then there's the Necrons which are obviously just terminator versions of Tomb Kings.

It would be cool to see an entire space Marine chapter just show up in fantasy and chilling there, making all the fantasy factions unease since they have no idea how to deal with them, but, orks then would start getting things like shootas, kill la kanz, trukks, and what not.

you then get the human factions trying to talk to space marine jsut for them to be KILLED since Sm will think they re some kind of chaos (empire, kslive) xenos (cathay, britonia) worshipers, orger would also be killed because they would be seen as mutants, too far away from the accepted ogren of the imperium, the dwarf would also be seen as mutant squats or (league of votanna), obveously the SM would be most cocerned with the large amount of actual chaos presence in fantasy world and would most likely eventually want to call for an exterminauts given the amount of xenos, chaos, and mutants on the planet.

[Soka Ried]

Messaggio originale di WAFFLE:

It would be cool to see an entire space Marine chapter just show up in fantasy and chilling there, making all the fantasy factions unease since they have no idea how to deal with them, but, orks then would start getting things like shootas, kill la kanz, trukks, and what not.

you then get the human factions trying to talk to space marine jsut for them to be KILLED since Sm will think they re some kind of chaos (empire, kslive) xenos (cathay, britonia) worshipers, orger would also be killed because they would be seen as mutants, too far away from the accepted ogren of the imperium, the dwarf would also be seen as mutant squats or (league of votanna), obveously the SM would be most cocerned with the large amount of actual chaos presence in fantasy world and would most likely eventually want to call for an exterminauts given the amount of xenos, chaos, and mutants on the planet.

no, please no. 40k is so overbearing with space marines, we don't need them hog the spotlight in yet another franchise.

[SpaceGoatMage]

Just chiming in to say that 40k stuff has no place in this game. Let Warhammer Fantasy be Warhammer Fantasy.

[Isaac]

demons in fantasy are not the same demons in 40k. they are much weaker, because the world is much smaller, therefore the chaos gods have a lot less power. a bloodthirster in fantasy can get beaten by a sigma priest. a bloodthirster in 40k often needs entire chapters to banish

[Soka Ried]

Messaggio originale di Isaac:

demons in fantasy are not the same demons in 40k. they are much weaker, because the world is much smaller, therefore the chaos gods have a lot less power. a bloodthirster in fantasy can get beaten by a sigma priest. a bloodthirster in 40k often needs entire chapters to banish

please provide a source on a daemons power being related to the size of a planet it is summoned to

[Nox]

Messaggio originale di Soka Ried:

Messaggio originale di Isaac:

demons in fantasy are not the same demons in 40k. they are much weaker, because the world is much smaller, therefore the chaos gods have a lot less power. a bloodthirster in fantasy can get beaten by a sigma priest. a bloodthirster in 40k often needs entire chapters to banish

please provide a source on a daemons power being related to the size of a planet it is summoned to

It's simple.

Chaos gods and their power (both in 40k and fantasy), work in a sense that.

More followers / worshippers / corrupted ppl = more power.

40K is an entire galaxy, so power level of chaos gods will be way bigger than in fantasy where there is only one planet.

Weaker power means they create weaker daemons, because they are created by the chaos gods themselves.

[Isaac]

Messaggio originale di Soka Ried:

Messaggio originale di Isaac:

demons in fantasy are not the same demons in 40k. they are much weaker, because the world is much smaller, therefore the chaos gods have a lot less power. a bloodthirster in fantasy can get beaten by a sigma priest. a bloodthirster in 40k often needs entire chapters to banish

please provide a source on a daemons power being related to the size of a planet it is summoned to

size of the planet? in fantasy, there is only one world. therefore, there are less people to power up the gods, and therefore also the demons. it is quite simple

[Soka Ried]

Messaggio originale di Snake:

It's simple.

Chaos gods and their power (both in 40k and fantasy), work in a sense that.

More followers / worshippers / corrupted ppl = more power.

40K is an entire galaxy, so power level of chaos gods will be way bigger than in fantasy where there is only one planet.

Weaker power means they create weaker daemons, because they are created by the chaos gods themselves.

oh that's what you mean. sure but how do you know there is only one planet in warhammer fantasy?