Need Help as beginner

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Hi, I've just picked up the game and completed the prologue and I am currently trying to pick a faction to start with in Immortal empires. I've watched a couple youtube videos and since Kroak is so op i generally had no issues beating an army of equal size or slightly above. This is my first Warhammer game and I suck ass. I tried 3 games as Gor-Rok on normal difficulty but gave up all of them due to the following reasons:

The first campaign I spent 80+ turns trying to deal with the two skaven factions, one of which, clan pestilence had like 4 full stacks. When I was just about done and ready to deal with the Awakened and got pretty far, reduced them down to 2 settlements until the dark elves declared war on me and I got steamrolled by both, since my two armies had to separate and each had to deal with multiple stacks. My second army was wiped out by the dark elves. I killed the awakened successfully only to find out that the tzeentch had already destroyed the cult of sotek in the south and were moving up to fight me. I quit after that.

Second game once I finished the starting war I decided to leave Clan Pestilence and deal with the minor skaven faction which was fine but then Skulk marched on to my southern cities with 3 stacks. I could not afford two full armies and Gor Rok got ambushed by three full stacks and lost. Then the Awakened marched on to my cities and I gave up.

Third game I decided to deal with Skrulk immediately but the southern sentinels immediately died. Even though I captured their capital along with subaton by like turn 6 or smth they somehow were still able to afford 3 armies. I hate my life. Is it just me or are the friggin rats op? They can spam armies like there's no tomorrow it seems.

The southern sentinels and cult of sotek always get steamrolled by the rats.

People tell me that Gor Rok is OP because of lord Kroak which I understand, but the Skaven are just too much to deal with. I watched the legendoftotalwar's video in which he introduced an exploit to deal with clan pestilence by like turn 3 but that kinda feels like cheating.

Are there any beginner friendly factions amongst the lizardmen, tomb kings, skaven or tzeentch/ Khorne that are suitable for my first complete campaign? I've been told that Nakai is easy but I read that he's a horde faction which might make it so that i can't learn the more strategic elements of the game such as managing settlements.

[Verchial]

Have you tried Greenskins? For a beginner, I think Grimgor or Azhag could be not as punishing as most others. Get the Waaagh going and have some fun.

Plus they’re funny. My little daughter really likes some of the sounds they make. Like when you click the goblin and he giggles.

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Originally posted by Verchial:

Have you tried Greenskins? For a beginner, I think Grimgor or Azhag could be not as punishing as most others. Get the Waaagh going and have some fun.

Plus they’re funny. My little daughter really likes some of the sounds they make. Like when you click the goblin and he giggles.

I'll give them a go maybe. Which lords have the most forgiving starting positions? I feel like in the case of Gor Rok he's plagued by a bad starting position.

[Captain Baldy]

Originally posted by zerofanzz:

This is my first Warhammer game and I suck ass.

EMPIRE because with a properly balanced army nothing can match you in the field battles or siege (subjective of course). Empire will allow you to hone actual tactics before getting into the whole "I infect you with ebola for 6 turns" and developing stratagy and tactics to accommodate effectively.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2973185770

[MrSoul]

Edit: lol the other comment above, I didn’t see while typing this out, but see? XD

Honestly after playing grimgor, I’d try out greenskin factions too. Think may be best for new players now had a go in 3.

Have a solid main line of troops can out muscle most things, a simple campaign mechanic in form of waaagh that essentially auto fires and a decent battle ability. Grom The Paunch also has some added faction mechanics that I really enjoyed from 2, but let’s not complicate matters.

Point is greenskins can auto steam roll along with waaagh mechanic(every couple turns get free double stack for each army to help it AR or crush in battles till cows come home, so even if losing, eventually tide will literally turn for you), still have supply lines and building management like normal faction so can learn and practice that and losing ground with them isnt so detrimental as theyre a faction with high growth(to rebuild), and high bank roll if save up most of your raiding and sacking gains early on.

Little plain Jane far as fancy mechanics go but hey, sometimes good enough is better than over complicating the issue and I think greenskins exemplify that.

[TamoDogo]

I found Settra to be a forgiving campaign, the TK are really fun to play as, especially when you have access to constructs (I name all my Sphinx units really cheesy cat names, like Mr Snuffles, and watch as Mr Snuffles tears through enemy armies sending bodies everywhere)

Lizardmen often start surrounded by enemies, I completed Gor-rok campaign back in WH2 and I restarted 6 or 7 times trying different strats like you did - he's OP once you get the ball rolling but the start is a struggle - haven't tried Nakai in WH3 yet

Khorne is an easier faction - they are mostly strong melee units so it's just a case of charging and flanking

Tzeentch is strong and really fun, might take a while getting used to him as his main Tier 1 units are ranged rather than melee

And it's been a long time since I played Skaven, think I completed Skaven as Ikit Claw but it took a few restarts too (his gunners and nukes are SUPER fun to use)

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Aside from the factions you meantioned, I'd say Tyrion as High Elves or Cathay are the 2 easiest campaigns to do, might be worth starting as them to get familiar with how things work

[Ohio9]

Originally posted by a mite of Nurgle:

Originally posted by zerofanzz:

This is my first Warhammer game and I suck ass.

EMPIRE because with a properly balanced army nothing can match you in the field battles or siege (subjective of course). Empire will allow you to hone actual tactics before getting into the whole "I infect you with ebola for 6 turns" and developing stratagy and tactics to accommodate effectively.

Empire does have a rough start for beginners though. First you have to master the politics system, which means spending a lot of effort defending factions other than your own. Also one needs to know to go after the Nurgle immediately or else they were obliterate all the other factions around them and drop your authority rating deep into the red.

[Captain Baldy]

Originally posted by Ohio9:

Originally posted by a mite of Nurgle:

EMPIRE because with a properly balanced army nothing can match you in the field battles or siege (subjective of course). Empire will allow you to hone actual tactics before getting into the whole "I infect you with ebola for 6 turns" and developing stratagy and tactics to accommodate effectively.

Empire does have a rough start for beginners though. First you have to master the politics system, which means spending a lot of effort defending factions other than your own. Also one needs to know to go after the Nurgle immediately or else they were obliterate all the other factions around them and drop your authority rating deep into the red.

Agree, but my thinking is that if I can master that diabolical mechanic then I can handle anything else the other factions have waiting for me
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2973185748

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Originally posted by TamoDogo:

I found Settra to be a forgiving campaign, the TK are really fun to play as, especially when you have access to constructs (I name all my Sphinx units really cheesy cat names, like Mr Snuffles, and watch as Mr Snuffles tears through enemy armies sending bodies everywhere)

Lizardmen often start surrounded by enemies, I completed Gor-rok campaign back in WH2 and I restarted 6 or 7 times trying different strats like you did - he's OP once you get the ball rolling but the start is a struggle - haven't tried Nakai in WH3 yet

Khorne is an easier faction - they are mostly strong melee units so it's just a case of charging and flanking

Tzeentch is strong and really fun, might take a while getting used to him as his main Tier 1 units are ranged rather than melee

And it's been a long time since I played Skaven, think I completed Skaven as Ikit Claw but it took a few restarts too (his gunners and nukes are SUPER fun to use)

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Aside from the factions you meantioned, I'd say Tyrion as High Elves or Cathay are the 2 easiest campaigns to do, might be worth starting as them to get familiar with how things work

Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who struggled with Gor-Rok. When it comes to Tzeentch, some people have told me that the Kairos Fateweaver's faction has a really tough starting position. Is that still true?

I don't have warhammer 1 yet so I'm not sure if I can play as Tyrion.

If nothing else works I'll build some experience with greenskins, Settra and Skarbrand. maybe. I'll give Gor-Rok another go once I'm more confident with management and stuff.

Also, what about the champions of Chaos lords? Are they tough? How do they differ from the 4 chaos factions?

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i though I was stupid and was the only person who struggled with Gor-Rok lmao

[TamoDogo]

Originally posted by zerofanzz:

i though I was stupid and was the only person who struggled with Gor-Rok lmao

haha nah Gor-Rok was a nightmare for me, too many enemies and from looking at the WH3 map it's even harder now

Originally posted by zerofanzz:

Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who struggled with Gor-Rok. When it comes to Tzeentch, some people have told me that the Kairos Fateweaver's faction has a really tough starting position. Is that still true?

I don't have warhammer 1 yet so I'm not sure if I can play as Tyrion.

If nothing else works I'll build some experience with greenskins, Settra and Skarbrand. maybe. I'll give Gor-Rok another go once I'm more confident with management and stuff.

Also, what about the champions of Chaos lords? Are they tough? How do they differ from the 4 chaos factions?

Think it is yeah, you have Nurgle to your right that isn't to bad in itself, but the High Elves can be quick to come down and ruin your day, and when you move up to take a HE settlement the Lizardmen discover you, so it's rough

Ah okay, Tyrion is WH2 so you should have him - if not I think Cathay would be the easiest - their legendary lords are incredibly strong

Honestly haven't played much of the Champions of Chaos, I think they each focus on a certain god, but have access to a lot more units that are undivided, so for example Valkia the Bloody will have access to Khorne units and buff them, but also have access to basic units with no affiliation

[Ares]

I would recommend Kroq'Gar as a beginning hero. Sorta sucks that his first battle is a kinda tough siege, but outside of that he has a very friendly starting position and quite simple mechanics.

Malekith and Tyrion (as mentioned above) are also fairly basic and with generally easy starting positions, but they both have a pesky legendary lord nearby that could cause trouble.

[dot]

Idk man, I don`t think you can learn it all in one faction, factions can vary greatly how they work, their philosphy, economy and above all their map situation. I would say, just pick whatever you like, and stick to it for a while until you beat the challenge or grow bored and try whatever else. You`ll get the hang of it all with time, no need of tutos, just enjoy it, take it at your own pace, you have no time restriction in your turns and you can pause or rematch how many times you like in battle.

I just have a curiosity question, why did you decide to jump right into Immortal Empires instead of Realm of Chaos?

[CrucialEnd]

For Skaven I would recommend Ikit Claw. Both the lord and faction are extremley powerful. You get excellent starting units and amazing mechanics and you even start with a nuke. Skavenblight is a great starting province and very easy to defend. Ikit makes a super strong faction even stronger.

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Originally posted by dot:

Idk man, I don`t think you can learn it all in one faction, factions can vary greatly how they work, their philosphy, economy and above all their map situation. I would say, just pick whatever you like, and stick to it for a while until you beat the challenge or grow bored and try whatever else. You`ll get the hang of it all with time, no need of tutos, just enjoy it, take it at your own pace, you have no time restriction in your turns and you can pause or rematch how many times you like in battle.

I just have a curiosity question, why did you decide to jump right into Immortal Empires instead of Realm of Chaos?

My friend who introduced me to this said that it was fine to jump straight into immortal empires so I did. I am actually playing through the Tzeentch realm of chaos campaign rn tho

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Originally posted by Ares:

I would recommend Kroq'Gar as a beginning hero. Sorta sucks that his first battle is a kinda tough siege, but outside of that he has a very friendly starting position and quite simple mechanics.

Malekith and Tyrion (as mentioned above) are also fairly basic and with generally easy starting positions, but they both have a pesky legendary lord nearby that could cause trouble.

I played one game as Kroq Gar and he was pretty easy, but I didn't realise that the Dwarves would declare war on me but by then my army was far away and I risked loosing my capital, so that's where I'm at. I might just start over