Total War: WARHAMMER III

Total War: WARHAMMER III

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Zoltar Apr 24, 2023 @ 2:50am
The frame rate gain thanks to super resolution upscalling is massive
I'm not a fan of upscalling, but in this case I prefer better performance and less lag over visual details.. I've had issues with performance in native resolution on the campaign map (sometimes below 60 fps @ 1440p with RX 6900, which is horrible), but after turning on upscaling I now have extra 30 fps on campaign map and even more in battles, which is great tbh, it makes long campaigns playable. I also recommend turning on the sharpening (in the drivers, not the in-game option).
Last edited by Zoltar; Apr 24, 2023 @ 2:51am
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Captain Baldy Apr 24, 2023 @ 2:52am 
Sounds interesting. Do you have any upscaled screenshots?
dulany67 Apr 24, 2023 @ 2:54am 
I assume you're using AMD RSR. What resolution do you set in game?
Zoltar Apr 24, 2023 @ 2:57am 
Originally posted by flange:
Sounds interesting. Do you have any upscaled screenshots?
not at the moment, but HeirofCarthage did a comparison video some time ago
https://youtu.be/BHEXhiRZuuE
Zoltar Apr 24, 2023 @ 3:04am 
Originally posted by dulany67:
I assume you're using AMD RSR. What resolution do you set in game?
Yes, AMD FSR, I forgot to mention that. In the game I set 1920×1080, my native resolution is 2560×1440. Radeon super resolution enabled in drivers with sharpen effect at 75% (0% makes the game blurry and 100% is overkill for me)
Last edited by Zoltar; Apr 24, 2023 @ 3:04am
dulany67 Apr 24, 2023 @ 3:15am 
Originally posted by Zoltar:
Originally posted by dulany67:
I assume you're using AMD RSR. What resolution do you set in game?
Yes, AMD FSR, I forgot to mention that. In the game I set 1920×1080, my native resolution is 2560×1440. Radeon super resolution enabled in drivers with sharpen effect at 75% (0% makes the game blurry and 100% is overkill for me)
Well, it's the in-driver version of FSR, not what most people think of as FSR.

Unfortunately, I have a 1080 monitor, so while I can run 1440 using AMD VSR, I can't trigger RSR without setting in game resolution to 1024 or something. So it doesn't work in my situation, but it's cool none the less.
Zoltar Apr 24, 2023 @ 3:25am 
Originally posted by dulany67:
Originally posted by Zoltar:
Yes, AMD FSR, I forgot to mention that. In the game I set 1920×1080, my native resolution is 2560×1440. Radeon super resolution enabled in drivers with sharpen effect at 75% (0% makes the game blurry and 100% is overkill for me)
Well, it's the in-driver version of FSR, not what most people think of as FSR.

Unfortunately, I have a 1080 monitor, so while I can run 1440 using AMD VSR, I can't trigger RSR without setting in game resolution to 1024 or something. So it doesn't work in my situation, but it's cool none the less.

yes, the game doesn't have that option, so I had to use the driver option. maybe try setting 720p ingame if it will work? i remember someone upscaled Cyberpunk from 720p to 1440p and it still looked tolerable
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dulany67 Apr 24, 2023 @ 3:31am 
Originally posted by Zoltar:
Originally posted by dulany67:
Well, it's the in-driver version of FSR, not what most people think of as FSR.

Unfortunately, I have a 1080 monitor, so while I can run 1440 using AMD VSR, I can't trigger RSR without setting in game resolution to 1024 or something. So it doesn't work in my situation, but it's cool none the less.

yes, the game doesn't have that option, so I had to use the driver option. maybe try setting 720p ingame if it will work?
It will work, but it's not really a solution for me. In the end, I have enough FPS to just run 1440 and be happy. But it's a no brainer for someone with a 1440 monitor and an AMD card.

How is performance on the campaign map?
Zoltar Apr 24, 2023 @ 3:38am 
Originally posted by dulany67:
Originally posted by Zoltar:

yes, the game doesn't have that option, so I had to use the driver option. maybe try setting 720p ingame if it will work?
How is performance on the campaign map?
with the FSR when I crank everything to high/ultra the campaign map runs at 70 - 90 fps. except when I zoom out to max and move the camera, then the fps drops below 60. if i lower some settings (shadows and such) then the game never drops below 60
TheAlmightyProo Apr 24, 2023 @ 6:34am 
Might be worth a try for me. Not surprised that even a 6900XT can be bought low at 1440p... but save a thought for me: 6800XT at 3440x1440.
Yes, campaign fps at ultra averages 40-45 ish but too much fast scrolling and it's easily 20-25 here and there. Said it before but separate settings for campaign and battle would've been nice. I'd happily have the former at low-mid and the latter at high-ultra (tweaked) where it's at least 60 fps and more stable at ultra etc...

I actually also play this on a 3070ti laptop at 1440p and there, while the fps counter doesn't register those campaign map drops as much (a monitoring run with something like HWinfo would probably tell more) there is noticeable judder even down to medium and capped. Again, not so much a surprise as the 6800XT uses a whopping 13-14Gb VRAM... and I'll imagine/assume it can easily hit between that and the 3070ti's 8Gb for 1440p. But it's a gaming laptop and having a few before I'd be tweaking settings and capping fps anyway to keep heat and noise down etc. Even more so here though, separate settings would be great.

I guess I'll try (when I have the time) RSR on the 6800XT though tbh I've not used any upscaler once yet having made sure to buy a GPU with more than adequate VRAM for the res. Nor do I know whether that (or even Sapphire's Trixx) will scale ok with an ultrawide 21:9 resolution as all options I've seen are 16:9 ones. But yeah... 60 fps or so ultra for battles is fine and dandy (I had half that for some of the lifetime of WH2) and high is as good for 10 fps more but that campaign perf is awful. Even if it were 30 fps and at least as stable as the battle side I wouldn't mind half as much but jumping up and down like it does on the desktop or juddering on the laptop, ugh.
Captain Worthy Apr 24, 2023 @ 6:42am 
The game does have built-in resolution scaling option, it is in the video settings. It is neither called FSR nor DLSS but it is actually FSR 1.0.

I also tried RSR with the game but that has the problem of not allowing Radeon Chill at the same time so the temperatures spike up quite a lot on the campaign map. With the built-in FSR 1.0 you can use Radeon Chill.

Though I ended up running the game at max settings at native 1440p with Radeon Chill set to 30-60 to cool things down.
TheAlmightyProo Apr 24, 2023 @ 8:10am 
Originally posted by Captain Worthy:
The game does have built-in resolution scaling option, it is in the video settings. It is neither called FSR nor DLSS but it is actually FSR 1.0.

I also tried RSR with the game but that has the problem of not allowing Radeon Chill at the same time so the temperatures spike up quite a lot on the campaign map. With the built-in FSR 1.0 you can use Radeon Chill.

Though I ended up running the game at max settings at native 1440p with Radeon Chill set to 30-60 to cool things down.

I haven't used Radeon Chill yet with this one (can't recall if for anything else but on a week by week basis I only tend to have a couple of games on the go) Still, average temps AAA gaming run 65-75C on the 6800XT, usually not more than 70C, for 99% use, 12Gb average so far (at 3440x1440)

However, haha... this game will run up to 80C (100C or so hotspot/junction) and 13.5-14Gb used (and near the same for RAM fwiw) at ultra. Meanwhile the 5800X is using 20-30% at 4.85GHz and around 70C, cooled by a 240mm AiO, pump and all fans on quiet. Well, so much for the old idea that TW games are more CPU heavy than GPU hogs I guess. I do know, from earlier testing that a my gf's 5600X and my 6800XT is nearly no difference than compared to my 5800X and her 3070. For most games the CPU and GPU match pretty evenly for temps at least, if not % of utilisation, though I've had what you'd assume are less CPU/more GPU heavy games hit more than twice the CPU use of this one.

Tbf I don't mind the temps overall though between 2021 and now they've gone up some 5C or so across the average of games I play, probably to match usage vs requirements and etc. Nm of course that most AAA's, bar well known outliers, run some 20-40 fps faster. Again, will try Radeon Chill as well as RSR/other options but it's not a dire necessity just yet.
Captain Worthy Apr 24, 2023 @ 8:27am 
Yeah I don't like to go up to 80c and beyond because it heats up my room so much. This game can give my OC RX 6800 the highest temps out of all the games I own, easily going up to 85c on max settings if I don't cap the framerate.
Last edited by Captain Worthy; Apr 24, 2023 @ 8:28am
TheAlmightyProo Apr 24, 2023 @ 9:32am 
Originally posted by Captain Worthy:
Yeah I don't like to go up to 80c and beyond because it heats up my room so much. This game can give my OC RX 6800 the highest temps out of all the games I own, easily going up to 85c on max settings if I don't cap the framerate.

I can mitigate the desktop temps easily enough. Either upping the fan/AiO pump to normal, capping fps etc etc... no biggie though ideally (or for any other game that's not such a heavy load/poorly optimised) 75C would usually be my limit but I've decided to tweak settings down from straight ultra and cap fps a little more to see how it goes, 45-60 fps and/or high/mixed should be ok and drop temps to 70C or lower.

However, getting temps to stick to 75C on the laptop takes way more cutting back.
On the bright side it's a 1440p 15.6" screen, so amazingly sharp and still better than, say, the 1080p 17.3" the last laptop had. Tbh had this model (Lenovo Legion 5 btw) come with a 1080p screen it would've been a better fit for the 3070ti (full power laptop version, yes, but still more like a 3070 at best) However, I got this model (6800H, 3070ti, 16Gb DDR5 4800, 1440p 165Hz) for up to £300 less than any other Legion 5 models that had a lesser CPU, GPU, screen or mix of all three, so it is what it is.
Longman Apr 24, 2023 @ 11:38pm 
Happy to see that, wished the devs fixed Image Scaling for NVIDIA cards. They fixed that Alt-Tab bug by forcing the game to be in borderless-fullscreen and because of that IS doesn't kick in.
Last edited by Longman; Apr 24, 2023 @ 11:39pm
Slaytherine Apr 25, 2023 @ 2:14am 
Is there a way to do it with NVIDIA card? I searched and I didn't see the same option in NVIDIA Control Panel
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