Order Factions

[onix8198]

Is it possible to win this game as an order faction anymore? In total war warhammer 2 I could win as any faction. Now it just does not seem possible.

Edit Was tired of people coming in to only provide me with the advice that there are no good factions in the game. There I fixed it to Order.

[Defmonkey]

Originally posted by onix8198:

Originally posted by Defmonkey:

Talking about newbies, the beginner factions / easiest factions to start with are Eataine (Tyrion) and Cathay (Many would say - Miao Ying / But i prefer - Zhao Ming) Both good factions.

Have you had any luck with these?

I wouldn't pick empire anymore as that old world start is a lot more challenging despite the game marking it as easy.

I was able to hold out for a little bit as Cathay but it was not going well at all. I was definitely stuck and unable to stop the war. All I could do is defend. It wasn't going well defending either cuz they could go past the wall even when I held it with some teleporting power. Haven't tried the High Elves, but I have seen them destroyed as the AI a lot.

Yeah, so i'm assuming you were playing as Miao Ying then if you are concerned with the wall? The only factions that can use teleport stances are tzeentch ones so really only the twisted twins (which do start northeast of the wall) and Kairos (Who is miles away in the southlands).... It seems they are not supposed to be able to do this if they were to follow the rules of the Realms of Chaos map and lore for that matter. this might get fixed later.

Zhao Ming i prefer personally, you have a comfortable start and can get a good economy going, but you have the responsibility of dealing with clan eshin and Deathmaster Sniktch. The main thing i dislike about cathay are the heroes, they are just.... not very good.

As for high elves, yes under your control it should perform a lot better and is a lot more forgiving (Tyrion specifically).

Originally posted by flange:

High Elves are fun and powerful sure but for me, they feel too nice. I find that nurgle scratches my itch
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2965475143

Well i very much like Nurgle, currently running a campaign at this very moment. But two issues there, 1) they aren't goodies, 2) not an easy faction to play, they are probably one of the harder campaigns on the map at the moment.

[KTVindicare]

Originally posted by Defmonkey:

Talking about newbies, the beginner factions / easiest factions to start with are Eataine (Tyrion) and Cathay (Many would say - Miao Ying / But i prefer - Zhao Ming) Both good factions.

Have you had any luck with these?

I wouldn't pick empire anymore as that old world start is a lot more challenging despite the game marking it as easy.

My Empire campaign from 2 days ago was VERY easy, much easier than it was at IE release. Several changes have gone through to make Franz' campaign about the same level as it was in WH2 and IMO it's much easier than that.

A lot of what happens in an Empire campaign is random though, which is what I like about it. In my campaign, Drycha absolutely stomped Vlad and then Kislev killed her so that all Vlad had left was Castle Drakenhoff which I was able to take without much trouble.

In general, I feel like with just how many factions there are in WH3 there's a lot more randomness just in general with how difficult campaigns can be from start to start. You can play the same faction 3 times in a row and have 3 very different campaigns, which I think is a good thing.

[onix8198]

It is sad how much games rely on mods nowadays to be some semblance of playable.

[algame]

I hate to say "git gud" but this game is un-losable once you are established in mid/late game. The only challenge is possibly early game with certain starts if you get gang banged by multiple AI.

[Defmonkey]

Originally posted by KTVindicare:

Originally posted by Defmonkey:

Talking about newbies, the beginner factions / easiest factions to start with are Eataine (Tyrion) and Cathay (Many would say - Miao Ying / But i prefer - Zhao Ming) Both good factions.

Have you had any luck with these?

I wouldn't pick empire anymore as that old world start is a lot more challenging despite the game marking it as easy.

My Empire campaign from 2 days ago was VERY easy, much easier than it was at IE release. Several changes have gone through to make Franz' campaign about the same level as it was in WH2 and IMO it's much easier than that.

A lot of what happens in an Empire campaign is random though, which is what I like about it. In my campaign, Drycha absolutely stomped Vlad and then Kislev killed her so that all Vlad had left was Castle Drakenhoff which I was able to take without much trouble.

In general, I feel like with just how many factions there are in WH3 there's a lot more randomness just in general with how difficult campaigns can be from start to start. You can play the same faction 3 times in a row and have 3 very different campaigns, which I think is a good thing.

Ok, thats fair enough, i haven't played empire after 3.0 patch so don't know how effective changes have been. I particularly like to run Gelt campaigns, not sure why i like him so much, just love the character theme, voice acting etc, as well as the tanked out Solland halberdier state troops he gets, super cheap magic and buffed gunpowder weapons / artillery.

As for the random starts, that's a good thing i think. I've never been so lucky to have one enemy wipe out another that gets wiped out by an ally. The main purpose of the elector count system (For Karl & Gelt) is that its the empires confederation system... This is not always easy for people to get to grips with.

[A.Pot]

Have you tried I don't know, lowering the difficulty if you start to find things difficult?

[Lunos]

Originally posted by onix8198:

Is it possible to win this game as a good faction anymore? In total war warhammer 2 I could win as any faction. Now it just does not seem possible.

Yes of course it's possible to win. Good WH3 campaigns I've beaten are Karl Franz, Settra and Thorgrim so far. WH3 is much harder than 2 was so if you're losing, lower the difficulty.

Originally posted by onix8198:

It is sad how much games rely on mods nowadays to be some semblance of playable.

Except it doesn't. I've had a perfectly playable experience (minus some bugs) so far.

[Defmonkey]

Yeah you don't need mods, i play mod free.

[onix8198]

I suppose endless hordes and enemies all around you without the ability to make alliances is harder in a way but to me it feels like a cheapened way to make a game harder. I found Warhammer 2 fun and challenging enough. I could win but I didn't win without a fight. Now it seems very hard to win without cheese.

[Many-Named]

Originally posted by flange:

These are very good mods. I run them all tonight. Game is stable, no issues (that I could notice).

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2927235297
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2951099887
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2926849712
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2853069797
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2799316652
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2948757115
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2927709646
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2851263234
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2965226280

This post is a treasure!

[Malenthas]

If you want to be successful, you need to go slow. Many people make the mistake of expanding too quickly. Use defensive alliances to secure your borders so you are not fighting on too many fronts. The goal should be to only be fighting in as many directions as you have armies. In the beginning, this means that you only want to be fighting in a single direction.
You can't just conquer the world with rapid expansion, as you will get overwhelmed by enemies.

[onix8198]

Originally posted by Malenthas:

If you want to be successful, you need to go slow. Many people make the mistake of expanding too quickly. Use defensive alliances to secure your borders so you are not fighting on too many fronts. The goal should be to only be fighting in as many directions as you have armies. In the beginning, this means that you only want to be fighting in a single direction.
You can't just conquer the world with rapid expansion, as you will get overwhelmed by enemies.

That doesn't work cuz of the Slaanesh thing.

[Governor Worm]

Literally any faction can be played with relative ease on campaign when you have some knowledge of the game even the so called weakest broken factions (eg.nurgle) snowball out of control after the initial hurdle. Just learn the strengths of the faction and good army compositions and you can take anything on. This game doesnt really need mods or min max to play well at all..... If u want to be successful.... play the game Honestly there is no faction you cant have a strong campaign with. Some are stronger than others, thats the nature of a total war game. TLDR: Learn the faction you want to play and you will be successful on all difficulties. You can find a play through online of any faction being successful to help you learn if you need. No noob cheat mod required

[Governor Worm]

Every faction is its own combination of tools to overcome the ai. If you cant come up with some sort of strategy to overcome the challenges the ai puts forth why do you play a strategy game?????? My friend dont waste time on the forum looking for someone to give you a secret answer. There is none.

[Hammond]

step 1 : get out of "Legendary" difficulty.
step 2 : try again and again