Warhammer 3's Multiplayer Matters

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

I was going to call this thread Why Warhammer 3's Multiplayer Should Matter, but I thought that that would just be too long of a title.

But I'll just cut to the chase.


This is something I've kind of talked about in the past, but I've come to a, let's just say somewhat strange, realization about Warhammer 3 which also includes its multiplayer.

But the thing I've come to realize about Warhammer 3 is that while the campaign is overall good, there's a potentially fatal flaw with it. Not necessarily a game breaking bug or anything, but just I'll give an illustration to help you guys understand it.


You can liken Warhammer 3's campaign is like a bike.

This bike has a lot of small interchangeable parts that can allow it to be used in slightly different ways.

But even with all those parts, it's still just a bike at its core.


The realization I had was that while there are plenty of LLs and starting positions to choose from, the campaign itself as a whole never really changes all that much, unless it's one VERY specific way, and that was a mod that was made for Warhammer 2 that randomized all the start positions, but I don't think such a mod has been made for 3 yet.

I just think that while the IE campaign can certainly be fun, there's still no real solution for campaign fatigue that a lot of people seem to go through. And I would just hate for anyone to get bored with any of the TW games because all there pretty much is to really play is only the campaigns.

And please guys, I'm not trying to sound like I'm bashing the IE campaign or anything, but I just think that CA really should've not just put all their eggs in one basket as it were. And that's kind of where the multiplayer comes in.


I want to clear up two major misconceptions about the TW games in general.

1. It doesn't HAVE to be Campaign vs Multiplayer, but rather can be Campaign and Multiplayer. You can have and enjoy both.

2. Giving a little something to the TW MP won't take 50 DLCs worth of time and work away from the campaigns.

And while I certainly won't lie to anyone and say that the TW MP battles have always been perfectly balanced, they're hardly as bad as some people would say out of ignorance.

They may not be overly complex after Shogun 2, but there is in fact a simple beauty to just picking a faction and playing a TW battle against another person. You just have to accept the fact of life that you won't win every battle.

My point is that while I certainly don't want Warhammer's MP to overshadow it's IE campaign, I do think that CA could possibly make the Warhammer 3's MP a counterweight of sorts to the campaigns, which could possibly be the solution to campaign fatigue, instead of just having people burn themselves out with campaign after campaign.

I think that CA could, at the very least, stand to give it's MP just a little bit of attention when it comes to balancing and such things. Though I would be ok with them giving us a DLC that does give something to the MP as well as the SP, preferably something with custom lords and heroes.


My overall point is just that a big problem with Warhammer 3's campaign is just the fact there's no real solution for people eventually getting burnt out on the campaigns, and I just think that its MP battles in particular could help with that problem, even with just some very basic attention on CA's part.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by Man of Culture:

Well people might not get campaign fatigue so often if they'd address the complaints people have about the campaign. Mostly in how the AI behaves and how it inevitably boils down to the same gameplay loop after the same amount of turns go by. The only time i have any fun in a campaign is during the first 100 turns when the game is a little bit of a struggle. Once I'm firmly on top of the game and I'm just rolling around auto resolving fights just to get them over with is when I ask myself why I'm still playing the game.

That's understandable, but I just think that t he AI is only part of the problem, in that they can't exactly overhaul the AI and all on a whim, as that kind of development is pretty hard.

That's kind of why I wish more people would give the TW MP more of a chance, because then they could learn to enjoy both quick battles and more in depth campaigns.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by Quis sum? Solus sum.:

Firstly, it's you're a fool, not your a fool Quis.

Learn to have at least a little better grammar before trying to own someone with words.


And yeah, if they do go look at what you said, they're see that you went from throwing a tantrum about one little thing to just blatantly making up stuff and grasping at straws to sound like you still had an argument when you didn't.

But it is truly hilarious how you just keep proving my point about you.

You show your true colors based on the fact that you can do little at this point but try to lash out with petty insults because you have no real argument anymore.

Face it Quis, you got taken apart because of your anger and self entitlement last time and now you're just trying to continue the fight in a desperate attempt to sound smart.

Edit
Ok then. Let's play a battle Quis. Just you and me.

I will host a game, but I have 3 rules.

1. No spam or metas.
2. No counter picking.
3. No corner camping.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by Mr.Soul:

People who enjoy IE and suffer from campaign burn out are the exact people who rather just take a break and go play anything else than play MP in these games*

Shoving more MP down that demographics throats anymore, or as some kind of…w/e it is you’re trying to explain in that op, would likely drive them away from the game entirely, not make them want to play more IE.

Ultimately the answer is pretty simple. If you’re suffering so much from “video game burn out” then stop playing video games so much.

Oh cut it out dude.

Quit trying to act as if giving ANYTHING to the MP of the TW games is somehow taking ALL the content away from from the freaking campaigns. It just makes you look very selfish.

Some of you guys really come off like you're the kid who refuses to share any of the toys with others and gets mad when another kid is given a toy of their own.

Like if the CA ultimately creates 100 DLCs for the campaign, but if someone merely suggests, let alone if they make 1 that only partly gives some stuff to the MP, you guys completely lose your minds.

Not only is that utterly ridiculous, but also pretty hypocritical.

[45]

Originally posted by chubbyninja89 (TNB):

Originally posted by Quis sum? Solus sum.:

The op dos not even have the achievement in WH3 for doing a MP battle.........

Oh no, I actually bothered playing the campaigns in WH3. The horror!

And you don't have it either Quis, so don't try to lie and say you do, because with how enraged you were in the last thread, it would only prove that you're a total hypocrite.

They're not making claims about how the mp is designed... you are.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by 45:

Well, it doesn't take a super genius or 1,000+ hours in the game to see that there's not a ton of stuff given to Warhammer 3's MP.

I just want CA to give a little attention to the MP to make it more fun. And that doesn't require them to give 50 DLCs worth of work and effort, which is the main issue dude.

[halogamb]

I don't really think someone getting burned out on the single player will be inclined to play multiplayer instead. That's, at best, a theory without support. But given the fact that the MP community is as small as it is, and people generally know what sorts of things entertains them more often than not, I don't see it holding any weight.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by halogamb:

I don't really think someone getting burned out on the single player will be inclined to play multiplayer instead. That's, at best, a theory without support. But given the fact that the MP community is as small as it is, and people generally know what sorts of things entertains them more often than not, I don't see it holding any weight.

Well, that's kind of a silly view on it, as I've pointed out that the MP is simply a way to help with that, not a complete alternative to the campaigns.

People need to stop thinking that it's Campaign vs Multiplayer, and realize that it can be Campaign and Multiplayer.

To give a bit of an illustration, I would just like the Warhammer 3's MP to be the fries to the Campaign's burger.

I mean, aside from a few little things here and there that could be done to help improve the MP, they don't really need to do a ton of things to make the MP a lot more appealing.

And I will say that most TW fans are pretty ignorant to how much fun the MP battles can be. Sure, they're not as flashy as the campaigns, but they can still be a lot of fun if you give them a chance.

[Eldi]

OP:
your oh so smart idea of corner camping can easily turn into your army getting destroyed

also OP:
Ok then. Let's play a battle Quis. Just you and me.
I will host a game, but I have 3 rules.
1. No spam or metas.
2. No counter picking.
3. No corner camping.

Why ban corner camping if you can easily turn it to destroying his army?

[halogamb]

Originally posted by chubbyninja89 (TNB):

Originally posted by halogamb:

I don't really think someone getting burned out on the single player will be inclined to play multiplayer instead. That's, at best, a theory without support. But given the fact that the MP community is as small as it is, and people generally know what sorts of things entertains them more often than not, I don't see it holding any weight.

Well, that's kind of a silly view on it, as I've pointed out that the MP is simply a way to help with that, not a complete alternative to the campaigns.

People need to stop thinking that it's Campaign vs Multiplayer, and realize that it can be Campaign and Multiplayer.

To give a bit of an illustration, I would just like the Warhammer 3's MP to be the fries to the Campaign's burger.

I mean, aside from a few little things here and there that could be done to help improve the MP, they don't really need to do a ton of things to make the MP a lot more appealing.

And I will say that most TW fans are pretty ignorant to how much fun the MP battles can be. Sure, they're not as flashy as the campaigns, but they can still be a lot of fun if you give them a chance.

I did not say anything to hint at a "campaign vs multiplayer" mindset. It's not a silly view. I get what you want to happen. I just doubt that these effects you want to see flow from the actions you want CA to take would actually happen.

[Nagash]

The bad launch of Wh3 killed MP and almost killed the game entirely. I would have liked to see what they wanted to do with MP with avatar conquest as you can see the framework was there, but would rather MP crash than the campaign.

[sentry]

I don't think this post deserves clown awards. This is pretty genuine and I sympathize. What we kind of need at this point is a system for dedicated servers with campaigns. You basically want to host an (probably IE) campaign that is up 24/7 and is otherwise persistent and available most of the time. Then players with or w/o password could join, choose their faction which may or may not be locked in, and continue at their leisure, instead of in coordination with a host.

Basically the game is super close to a modern persistent multiplayer experience but isn't quite there yet. It's unfortunate but the the problem here has to with resources. CA is working on a lot of other games simultaneously and is kind of neglecting their golden goose. The request here come before simply resolving issues and optimizing the game, and then before content updates...

[Fear2288]

It doesn’t, and it never should.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by Eldi:

OP:
your oh so smart idea of corner camping can easily turn into your army getting destroyed

also OP:
Ok then. Let's play a battle Quis. Just you and me.
I will host a game, but I have 3 rules.
1. No spam or metas.
2. No counter picking.
3. No corner camping.

Why ban corner camping if you can easily turn it to destroying his army?

Really dude?

I ban corner camping because while it can be countered, it's not a perfect strategy, but I'd rather just have a actual battle over having to plan to deal with such stupidity.

It's not that hard to figure out Eldi.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

It doesn’t, and it never should.

And you're a prime example of someone showing that they've probably never actually played a TW MP battle in their life.

Well, either that or you're one of those people who rage quit because you lost a battle or two at most.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by halogamb:

I did not say anything to hint at a "campaign vs multiplayer" mindset. It's not a silly view. I get what you want to happen. I just doubt that these effects you want to see flow from the actions you want CA to take would actually happen.

Well, I'm just mentioning the whole Campaign vs Multiplayer thing because it really seems like so many people think that it MUST be one or the other instead of realizing that they can have fun with both.

And I don't want CA to give like 50 DLCs worth of work and all to Warhammer 3's MP, but maybe 1 at most much later on, but even then, such a DLC would still heavily favor the SP.

All I really want is for people to get off their campaign high horses and give the MP battles a fair chance and be willing to just admit that it could be fun, maybe even coming to appreciate it.