Turns out the price of the DLC is not the only problem.

[True Lord BachusPL The Great]

Let's look at the """""""content""""""" of the upcoming highly anticipated DLC for our beloved game TW:WH3.
LL #1 Chinese guy:
Cathay is the most boring faction in the game, this new guy doesn't change that at all, he doesn't add anything new to the faction. What they tried to do with him is "Let's try to make him strong so that everyone would think he is the best LL ever and buy our 25$ DLC". It doesn't work like that, this game is already brain dead easy, we don't need more overpowered LLs, we need new mechanics that would make the game more fun.
LL #2 Changeling:
There is no point in playing him because you CAN'T lose as him. If I wanted to play a game without the possibility of losing, I would buy Detroit: Become Human or something.
LL #3 Kislev hag:
I don't know, she is just... average? Ok, for a free DLC but to ask MONEY for her? No.

Conclusion: The DLC is free patch tier, buying this is the worst possible decision a person could make.

[MasterSJT]

Does it matter that you can't lose with the changeling? I'm not sure I've ever lost a campaign

[MasterSJT]

Originally posted by Tunguska:

Originally posted by MasterSJT:

Does it matter that you can't lose with the changeling? I'm not sure I've ever lost a campaign

I've lost campaigns, in the sense I either get tired of the grind, or go "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ this is annoying" and just quit.

haha true

[UrbanMech]

I hope you can defeat changeling or else that would lessen the world conquering experience.

[True Lord BachusPL The Great]

Originally posted by MasterSJT:

Does it matter that you can't lose with the changeling? I'm not sure I've ever lost a campaign

Well, this is another topic of discussion, but the point is: you can't lose as Changeling even theoretically. It's impossible.

[Emilia Tempest]

Originally posted by MasterSJT:

Does it matter that you can't lose with the changeling? I'm not sure I've ever lost a campaign

It does matter, because why play the campaign at all besides a one-time powertrip or experiencing the story?

If you could never lose, what really would be the point to play the game. There are no stakes at all.

Which is why the game becomes so mindnumbingly boring once the game enters turn 80 to 100, the ai will never be bigger than 30 settlements. meanwhile you chill on maybe 90 settlements, with 12 armies that could 1v1 any enemy, have 30k income just in case you need to vomit out another 2 armies to swarm the ai.
At that point you really cant lose the campaign unless you intentionally let yourself lose it.

So with the changeling, you would start what most factions do at around turn 80, at turn 1. Straight to the end-game grind

[MasterSJT]

Originally posted by True Lord BachusPL The Great:

Originally posted by MasterSJT:

Does it matter that you can't lose with the changeling? I'm not sure I've ever lost a campaign

Well, this is another topic of discussion, but the point is: you can't lose as Changeling even theoretically. It's impossible.

i get the point, honestly i do. It just doesn't feel like an issue in the sand-boxy nature.
The alternative of adding timers just sucks to me

Taking him out as the player though is something that needs to be doable

[MasterSJT]

I play a lot of co-op so my loss condition will always be tied to if the other player is defeated so most of the losing part isn't even an issue

[True Lord BachusPL The Great]

Originally posted by stompie5:

Originally posted by True Lord BachusPL The Great:

Well, this is another topic of discussion, but the point is: you can't lose as Changeling even theoretically. It's impossible.

Now that you got me thinking about, couldn't this be said about a lot of great games? Elden Ring for example, impossible to lose

What are you talking about? You constantly lose in ER. Are you like trying to humble brag that you are le epic God gamer that never died in Fromsoft games or something?

[MasterSJT]

Originally posted by Emilia Tempest:

Originally posted by MasterSJT:

Does it matter that you can't lose with the changeling? I'm not sure I've ever lost a campaign

It does matter, because why play the campaign at all besides a one-time powertrip or experiencing the story?

If you could never lose, what really would be the point to play the game. There are no stakes at all.

Which is why the game becomes so mindnumbingly boring once the game enters turn 80 to 100, the ai will never be bigger than 30 settlements. meanwhile you chill on maybe 90 settlements, with 12 armies that could 1v1 any enemy, have 30k income just in case you need to vomit out another 2 armies to swarm the ai.
At that point you really cant lose the campaign unless you intentionally let yourself lose it.

So with the changeling, you would start what most factions do at around turn 80, at turn 1. Straight to the end-game grind

The fun would be in the journey the AI still wants to stop you for achieving your goals, nothing stops you from getting slapped early and struggling to build back up to the point you may well call it a loss.

Like someone else said there is no game over state in Elden Ring but you can be defeated in the moment

[UrbanMech]

Originally posted by True Lord BachusPL The Great:

Originally posted by stompie5:

Now that you got me thinking about, couldn't this be said about a lot of great games? Elden Ring for example, impossible to lose

What are talking about? You constantly lose in ER. Are you like trying to humble brag that you are le epic God gamer that never died in Fromsoft games or something?

Losing in Souls games is giving up on the game and quitting it IRL. Losing hope just like those in the universe of the game do. Pretty sure it was even stated officially from the devs way back.

[MasterSJT]

Originally posted by Tunguska:

Unless you have a timer, you can't lose so bad as the Changeling.
The cults can spread by themselves, and I really doubt the AI will ever stack detection to the point they wipe you out.

Eventually, you can have as much income as the enemy you fight. Your armies have the ambush undetectable effect in cult (basically every) territory. You can recruit everywhere, be invisible while you do it, and enemies have no settlements to take down.

You're practically completely undefeatable. No need for settlements, colonize the whole map automatically like a more overpowered version of Khorne, you profit no matter who owns them, and can even inhabit razed ruins.

I just don't see a player losing their starting army and carrying on getting losses struggling to get up and running and deciding to wait till their cults are every where. Most will concede they messed up and restart. Not to mention you can go at this like a speed run challenge

[Maarduk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j86sqEguU6o.

[MasterSJT]

Originally posted by Tunguska:

I don't see how you lose at all with the benefits they give you in the first place. Especially keep losing, that's hardly even possible. You can pick all your fights, and enemies gain basically nothing from battling you.

And who says people will go at it "like a speedrun challenge", you? I highly doubt most will play this game like it that, no matter the faction they pick.

It looks like starting army upkeep will be a bit trickier to deal with compared to other factions from what i have seen though I've not played it myself.

I wouldn't speed run this game, not my thing. Just a loss case for those that need a lost conditions to press on.

Worst case scenario if you really don't like it i'm sure mod will come out to swap him to normal settlements

[MasterSJT]

Originally posted by Maarduk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j86sqEguU6o.

The title seems a bit antagonistic but i think he has a point that they maybe diverting funds.

I wouldn't burn TW:W3 for a shooter where the USP is low grav. Pretty sure someone already did that and it failed. I would can that game in a heart beat.

[Mazisky]

Interesting thoughts for sure