Is the map getting crowded?

[Falaris]

I'm wondering if expanding the map a bit - making it larger by basically increasing the scale a bit - adding regions that would have been too small to include before - would be an idea. Right now the place feels quite crowded, and it's only going to be more so as new lords get added. (9 more by the end of the year and that's hardly going to stop then).

[VisionShift]

I agree, it does feel crowded. Get a 15% movement bonus and you can send armies pretty much from one town, straight to the next.

[Defmonkey]

Originally posted by BLIND:

I agree, it does feel crowded. Get a 15% movement bonus and you can send armies pretty much from one town, straight to the next.

Yeah this is one of the biggest problems i have with IE. You just leapfrog from town to town, there just is not enough space between towns. This became really noticeable when minor settlements were always engaged and there being so few land battles.... they have got around that now by having these being far less common. Still, its all very squashed in. Either that or slow movement down so that field engagements can be a thing over bait and ambush every time.

[Basarab Laiota]

I feel like they knew the overcrowing was a problem and that's why they made the AI so much less likely to take massive amounts of territory.. They want the player to meet all of the Lgenedary Lords in one campaign, so they made the AI dilly-dally when it comes to taking out their enemies. The amount of times I've seen an AI sack the last city of an enemy then LEAVE THEM ALONE TO REBUILD is staggering.

[sentry]

The answer is yes, IE is by definition crowded with legendary lords. WH1 and start of WH2 ME had less overcrowding of LLs. IE in WH3 is a legendary lord Super Smash Bros where within 10 turns most minor factions have been annihilated and in every single direction from your starting area is an adjacent LL just a province away.

It's not necessarily a bad thing, but I personally use various mods to increase the survivability of minor factions.

[Lord]

i like it being crowded.

[feillyne]

Yeah, it is grossly underpopulated. Minor factions could use unique traits and lords (unique not legendary, some people can't understand the difference), and some areas of the world are in dire need of rework:
- Athel Loren, 2-3x more regions, movement points/speed greatly decreased for everyone except beastmen & wood elves
- Albion, either physically enlarged or left as it is, but with 2-3x more regions as well + plus movement penalties
- more islands (and vamp coast factions)
- Southlands and Lustria are utterly boring, imho they should be remade
- and so on

The world map is missing big Lustrian swamps, just like the Old World is missing Mirror Moors. It could use more unique gameplay-wise (not just visual-wise) regions that slow down, hamper or hurt all or nearly all passing armies. IE needs toggleable Chaos rifts, too.

Reducing movement points would probably make the IE a huge slog, so against that idea... but maybe as a customisable world/campaign setting/config, it would be a great boon.

+1, Lord

[Falaris]

I was thinking not so much slowing movement, but basically making the world, say, 20% larger - but regions stay the same size (roughly) and you squeeze in a number of more regions. There's a lot of towns etc. in between that are not on the map, after all. That way there's more regions, more room to expand, more time before all the threats come home to roost, so to speak.

The immediate, obvious problem is that the game already struggles a bit with the map if you run it at full options, and since a lot of players (me included) do not realize it's possible to run it at less than epic, there would be some slowdown. Also, it's a lot of work. Still, the empire, for instance, now (with 4.0) has Vlad, kemmler, orcs, festus, changeling and khazrak as immediate enemies either at their borders or 1-2 regions removed. (unless they move khazrak off a bit. They could do that.). That's... a bit much.

[Alar]

The performance is completely atorcious, yes. It absolutely is far overcrowded, especially the 'compressed' parts of the world like naggaroth and lustria. But to be honest they have added so many lords even old world is filled with legendary lords in spitting distance from each other now.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by feillyne:

Yeah, it is grossly underpopulated. Minor factions could use unique traits and lords (unique not legendary, some people can't understand the difference), and some areas of the world are in dire need of rework:
- Athel Loren, 2-3x more regions, movement points/speed greatly decreased for everyone except beastmen & wood elves
- Albion, either physically enlarged or left as it is, but with 2-3x more regions as well + plus movement penalties
- more islands (and vamp coast factions)
- Southlands and Lustria are utterly boring, imho they should be remade
- and so on

The world map is missing big Lustrian swamps, just like the Old World is missing Mirror Moors. It could use more unique gameplay-wise (not just visual-wise) regions that slow down, hamper or hurt all or nearly all passing armies. IE needs toggleable Chaos rifts, too.

Reducing movement points would probably make the IE a huge slog, so against that idea... but maybe as a customisable world/campaign setting/config, it would be a great boon.

+1, Lord

One can hope, but i'm certain we won't get a map much bigger than it already is.

[Jebe]

I think the world needs way more chaos wastes for having such a large amount of playable characters in that region

[BenShinobi]

Sadly I can't imagine they're likely to increase the map size. Only time I see it could happen is along with adding the Kuresh & Ind sections, to do a bit of map tweaking in some places.

It's never sat right with me on those campaigns that you're encouraged to take out another LL within the first 10-20 turns or they become a constant annoyance. I think it's worst with Mannfred's start pos now. I was excited at the idea of a big struggle between him and Volkmar but I feel whichever you play you got to take the other out as fast as possible. Especially as Settra is ready to mess Mannfred's capital up. If anywhere could get a bit more space, for me it'd be that region.

[Lord]

Originally posted by BenShinobi:

Sadly I can't imagine they're likely to increase the map size. Only time I see it could happen is along with adding the Kuresh & Ind sections, to do a bit of map tweaking in some places.

It's never sat right with me on those campaigns that you're encouraged to take out another LL within the first 10-20 turns or they become a constant annoyance. I think it's worst with Mannfred's start pos now. I was excited at the idea of a big struggle between him and Volkmar but I feel whichever you play you got to take the other out as fast as possible. Especially as Settra is ready to mess Mannfred's capital up. If anywhere could get a bit more space, for me it'd be that region.

i think we may get alittle more space added to the top of the map for more chaos factions.

[Jimmy]

Yes it is too crowded, but luckily for you CA actually are expanding the map all the time. Fire up warhammer 1 again and look at what the empire looks like.

What's baffling to me is that the map is already this crowded and then they have the brilliant idea to make the COC DLC that adds 4 more. 4 more for a faction that already had 3. Insane.

[Jebe]

Originally posted by Jimmy:

Yes it is too crowded, but luckily for you CA actually are expanding the map all the time. Fire up warhammer 1 again and look at what the empire looks like.

What's baffling to me is that the map is already this crowded and then they have the brilliant idea to make the COC DLC that adds 4 more. 4 more for a faction that already had 3. Insane.

it was actually 5 because they added be'lakor for free on top ^^

[Falaris]

Originally posted by Jebe:

Originally posted by Jimmy:

Yes it is too crowded, but luckily for you CA actually are expanding the map all the time. Fire up warhammer 1 again and look at what the empire looks like.

What's baffling to me is that the map is already this crowded and then they have the brilliant idea to make the COC DLC that adds 4 more. 4 more for a faction that already had 3. Insane.

it was actually 5 because they added be'lakor for free on top ^^

Be'lakor is daemons of chaos I think?

That they expand the map from 1->2->3 is hardly surprising since they're centered on different parts of the world. Unfortunately, as there's no #4 in the works, the map stays the same but every update will add 3 LL's to the world. It will be more crowded unless they do something (TM).