Denuvo

[Exxenmann]

Will never ever buy a game with Denuvo.
A pitty it looks good.

[Mazisky]

It is so minor it shouldn't be a deciding factor in my opinion.

[The Sand Witch]

it looks good but is an impressively large mess of bugs, glitches and atrocious balance decisions - whether MP or SP. And the team is hopeless and their last post pretty much says "look we've spent 3 months doing... nothing at all". Each patch led to more bugs for each corrected, and neither SP nor MP are well served in that regard. They all suffer.

Also no dedicated server nor in-game chat system, so at best you can 1v1 but not reliably more, whether campaign or mp battles. And their ladder is sh.t, their maps as well.

Denuvo is the least of your concern, make sure the game itself interests you before considering it.

[Mazisky]

Originally posted by The Sand Witch:

it looks good but is an impressively large mess of bugs, glitches and atrocious balance decisions - whether MP or SP. And the team is hopeless and their last post pretty much says "look we've spent 3 months doing... nothing at all". Each patch led to more bugs for each corrected, and neither SP nor MP are well served in that regard. They all suffer.

Also no dedicated server nor in-game chat system, so at best you can 1v1 but not reliably more, whether campaign or mp battles. And their ladder is sh.t, their maps as well.

Denuvo is the least of your concern, make sure the game itself interests you before considering it.

According to some all wh3 bugs are minor and irrelevant and they are noticed only by few people.

Very intriguing to see how much perception of game state changes between players.

[Eldi]

Good to have principles.
Thanks for letting us know.

Originally posted by Mazisky:

Very intriguing to see how much perception of game state changes between players.

The root of most arguments I fear, sadly.

[Exxenmann]

Originally posted by Mazisky:

It is so minor it shouldn't be a deciding factor in my opinion.

I think it should.

Pirates will get a better version than paying customers. (fps)

Also I dont get why an offline single player game has to connect to THIRD PARTY servers.
https://www.vg247.com/drm-denuvo-offline-games-steam
Denuvo simply forgot to renew the domain.
Whoopsie daisy.

At this point youre not a customer anymore but livestock.
(comparable to Apple - or the south park cable company episode)

[Exxenmann]

Originally posted by nugget80:

Then would be missing out on a lot of games in future. Denuvo almost become standard now.

Yes
But also AAA studios will miss out on me (and others) as customer.
RN there is a healthy indie scene to throw money at.

[Exxenmann]

Originally posted by nugget80:

Originally posted by Eldi:

Good to have principles.
Thanks for letting us know.




The root of most arguments I fear, sadly.

Yea, so many arguments about same thing over and over. WH3 vs WH2, AI, sieges etc etc

The ones where both sides continuously go back and forth over a span of a day or 2. Knowing full well neither side will agree. Essentially trying to validate one self to a complete stranger that bears no impact to their own real lives.

Leading to wasting time and effort, time that could of been better spent say doing something else.

For me its a little bit more than that.
Hopefully they see how much attention this issue gets and post release remove Denuvo (as others do)
That would be acceptable for me.

[Captain T1]

Originally posted by Exxenmann:

Originally posted by nugget80:

Yea, so many arguments about same thing over and over. WH3 vs WH2, AI, sieges etc etc

The ones where both sides continuously go back and forth over a span of a day or 2. Knowing full well neither side will agree. Essentially trying to validate one self to a complete stranger that bears no impact to their own real lives.

Leading to wasting time and effort, time that could of been better spent say doing something else.

For me its a little bit more than that.
Hopefully they see how much attention this issue gets and post release remove Denuvo (as others do)
That would be acceptable for me.

Oh I think they do, the topic pops up quite often and goes in the same circle every few months. Just the ones who decide to put denuvo in wont see it and don't care.

And I doubt they would remove it anytime soon, WH1 still has it and its been over 7 years now.

[Eldi]

Originally posted by Exxenmann:

Originally posted by Mazisky:

It is so minor it shouldn't be a deciding factor in my opinion.

I think it should.

Pirates will get a better version than paying customers. (fps)

Also I dont get why an offline single player game has to connect to THIRD PARTY servers.
https://www.vg247.com/drm-denuvo-offline-games-steam
Denuvo simply forgot to renew the domain.
Whoopsie daisy.

At this point youre not a customer anymore but livestock.
(comparable to Apple - or the south park cable company episode)

Your not the first and won't be the last.
It won't change, deal with it.

I'm sure you and your friend not buying it won't offset the people buying it because they can't pirate it?
Swings both ways.

Still waiting for the FPS hit proof to be honest. Will fully back the nay camp when it's concrete.
I hear they are going to be allowing tests. Hope they are done by third parties.

[TheAlmightyProo]

Originally posted by Mazisky:

It is so minor it shouldn't be a deciding factor in my opinion.

Agreed. Minor enough (vs other reasons a game might be laggy/less optimised) that having plentiful resources for the task at hand reduces it's impact to nothing noticeable.

Fwiw, that plenty would be along the lines of a 5800X (where most games still won't consistently use more than 6 cores nm maxing most of them) a 6800XT (more than enough for AAA's at high-ultra 60+ fps at 3440x1440) and 32Gb RAM. Nm what aiming a little higher than necessary does for longevity, I often hit nearer the capabilities of a games engine or my refresh rate before I max any of those out.

Of course, that doesn't make further overloading system resources to run a game ok (no more than piss poor optimisation does, for example) but it's just a thing we're all gonna have to get used to, if we haven't figured that out already.

[Emilia Tempest]

Originally posted by Exxenmann:

Originally posted by Mazisky:

It is so minor it shouldn't be a deciding factor in my opinion.

I think it should.

Pirates will get a better version than paying customers. (fps)

Also I dont get why an offline single player game has to connect to THIRD PARTY servers.
https://www.vg247.com/drm-denuvo-offline-games-steam
Denuvo simply forgot to renew the domain.
Whoopsie daisy.

At this point youre not a customer anymore but livestock.
(comparable to Apple - or the south park cable company episode)

The game has online functions.
Online campaign coop/versus.
Online battle versus.
It has a leaderboard (that nobody cares about, lets pretend we care for argument sake).
There you go, its not as "offline" as you think.

And the game itself has enough issues with optimization and denuvo sure as hell aint the main factor. The game isnt properly optimized, and it was proven on release that it wasnt just people thinking it was worse. Ofc with time it has improved, by how much I'm not sure as for me the game is just as laggy as before.

Lets be real here, youre on steam, buying games that can get ripped away at ANY MOMENT for ANY REASON. You dont own any games here (or whatever is in your steam backpack), you only own the permission to download it and play it on this specific account.
But yeah devuno is the one thing that makes the customer into livestock

[Mazisky]

Originally posted by Eldi:

Originally posted by Mazisky:

Very intriguing to see how much perception of game state changes between players.

The root of most arguments I fear, sadly.

Fortunately there are patch notes and issues lists made by developers that help separate perceptions based on reality from those created by blind love and worshipping attitude.

[The Sand Witch]

issue list is far from complete and each player experiment the game their own way. It's a way to say "we know about this and will care about that" and ignore everything else.
It has nothing to do with blind love or worshipping, or blind hate or w/e.

On the MP side, some people provide actual data about issues within the game, from actual bugs to balance issues.

In the end, if you play campaign and just press autoresolve, bugs are arguably irrelevant indeed unless it crashes your game.

[Eldi]

Originally posted by Mazisky:

Originally posted by Eldi:

The root of most arguments I fear, sadly.

Fortunately there are patch notes and issues lists made by developers that help separate perceptions based on reality from those created by blind love and worshipping attitude.

True but these aren't always the points of contention are they?
For example, many at launch said it was unplayable.
I had zero issues, on both gamepass and steam.
(A friend only had issues with tzeetch chaos land).

Many now have issues with crashes and such but not everyone.
Maybe it's faction dependant, I don't know but the truth is the game is far from broken for some and a train wreck for others.
Minor bugs (which I think is mostly the CA list?) aren't 'game literally unplayable'?

[Mazisky]

Originally posted by Eldi:

Originally posted by Mazisky:

Fortunately there are patch notes and issues lists made by developers that help separate perceptions based on reality from those created by blind love and worshipping attitude.

True but these aren't always the points of contention are they?
For example, many at launch said it was unplayable.
I had zero issues, on both gamepass and steam.
(A friend only had issues with tzeetch chaos land).

Many now have issues with crashes and such but not everyone.
Maybe it's faction dependant, I don't know but the truth is the game is far from broken for some and a train wreck for others.

Fair points, but when you see a plethora of alternate accounts that are opened with the only purpose to mock those who expose game issues you know there is a serious problem with how some react to those who report bugs or provide criticism.