Lizardman extremly strong

[Kael]

PLayed Bretonia with Bordelaux. Had 1 Lizardman AI Army on NORMAL which killed 3 full armies from me, crippled half my empire (without any reason to attack me btw cause there was tzeentch right next to them)

No chance, even in open Battlefield to beat them. Replayed it several times with my Gold units.

Is it supposed to be that lizardmen unbeatable with their orange elite units?

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by 🅶 I|I Kael π:

PLayed Bretonia with Bordelaux. Had 1 Lizardman AI Army on NORMAL which killed 3 full armies from me, crippled half my empire (without any reason to attack me btw cause there was tzeentch right next to them)

No chance, even in open Battlefield to beat them. Replayed it several times with my Gold units.

Is it supposed to be that lizardmen unbeatable with their orange elite units?

What units did you use? The only good units Bretonnia have (when compared to other races) is their cavalry and their catapults. Everything else is either sub-par or just ok'ish.

While Lizardmen has excellent infantry (Saurus) and monsters (Dinos).

A benefit Bretonnia has is the lack of supply lines, so you should have more armies then them for equal effect.

[Kael]

I use Knights of the Realm, Grail Knights (1-2 units) and some halberdier units to stop a charge.

I simply get wrecked by their flying dinosaurs, and their big dinosaurs and their small dinosaurs.

I flanked them all the time, crush from behind. But still - there is this 1 army who simply DEVASTATE my complete realm i am playing. This is unstoppable for me. He even crushed 3 full armies (yea there were some cheap units) with direct control.

because they cant kill their units, they simply regenerate in 2-3 rounds while i cant build new armies. I get simply outproduced.

i have no idea what i can do against this

[Mezore]

Projectile is the answer to monster and flying unit. They are big target and they can be targetted by your missile unit while your anti-large infantry hold them. You also have access to anti-large cavalry that can charge their infantry when needed, doing a lot of damage but you should retreat quickly and charge again before they tear it appart. Lizardmen are a dangerous foe but some faction have it harder than bretonnia so good luck :D (my first run in IE was with nurgle without WoC DLC, not really great to survive a lizardmen invasion without my main army)

[Kael]

Wont work. Even on the map it was a dinosaur like 10x the regular size of it.

I had to fight them with 4 full armies. 3 full peasant-troops and 2 with only knights. Had to waste all the money i saved for them. And i lost all peasants armies and 90% of all my knights.

dont know what this should be or why this happened. But its unbelievable annoying

[Kael]

https://i.imgur.com/LlAZz12.png

second army appeared. I had to emergency build up armies to get something. If i loose this town. the game for me is over.

But still: The army is able to beat 2x stacks, 17/20 + garrison of the city and i cant do anything to prevent it. Even in the battle itself i get OVERRUN without any problem.

This is clearly a design failure for me.


I play on NORMAL. This is something which shouldnt happen. These Lizardmen can field 2 or 3 of this 'regular' armies who beat 2-3 armies of mine at the same time without a problem.

[SpeaksTooFast]

The orange units you are talking about were probably the "blessed spawnings" those are stronger than their normal units and if you were fighting the faction that starts in the magic forest, wardens of the pool or something, they start with a strong army.
-The faction tends to be pretty pacifist in my exprence and unless you are playing the wood elves there is not really a great reason to fight them.

In general the lizardmen vs brett match-up is hard for Bretonnia. Lizardmen have a lot of base armor and Bretonnia struggles for decent AP units outside of a few cav units and their trebuchet.
-This can be more difficult for less experienced players on the lustria maps as many have a lot of forest making those units harder to use well.

Edit: just checked your screenshot, fighting a lv21 Mazdamundi will be tough and he has a really strong army there.

[F.O.A.M]

Originally posted by 🅶 I|I Kael π:

PLayed Bretonia with Bordelaux. Had 1 Lizardman AI Army on NORMAL which killed 3 full armies from me, crippled half my empire (without any reason to attack me btw cause there was tzeentch right next to them)

No chance, even in open Battlefield to beat them. Replayed it several times with my Gold units.

Is it supposed to be that lizardmen unbeatable with their orange elite units?

this screams inexperience.
all early game and cheap units are expendeble, meaning that they start running faster than other guys and they have big domino effect, a third of your army is running? the rest will join in a second or 2.
lizardmen have monster infantry in saurus units that will TEAR your infantry to shreds AND they are faster so it really is a hard matchup especially since saurus is not considered a large unit so spears dont do bonus dmg on them.
get yourself some cav and start to micromanage your troops to lead away enemy forces and pick them of while the rest of your force of infantry and bows hold down the forst for a flanking cav strike

[SpeaksTooFast]

If you like Bretonnia I'd recommend trying to play Repanse. I believe her start is a bit easier and the desert maps are better until you get a better feel for the faction.

[Sn3z]

Bretonnia T1-T3 against LM T!-T3 is a ♥♥♥♥ show, LM have had much more DLC.

Bretonnia needs more units and big changes to buildings and recruitment, grail reliquary moved to T2 for staying power and Pegasus moved down to T3 to have a better chance controlling skies, better access to all bow variants(all moved into support chain with trebs)

LM need TK caps on all their monsters.

[F.O.A.M]

Originally posted by 🅶 I|I Kael π:

I use Knights of the Realm, Grail Knights (1-2 units) and some halberdier units to stop a charge.

I simply get wrecked by their flying dinosaurs, and their big dinosaurs and their small dinosaurs.

I flanked them all the time, crush from behind. But still - there is this 1 army who simply DEVASTATE my complete realm i am playing. This is unstoppable for me. He even crushed 3 full armies (yea there were some cheap units) with direct control.

because they cant kill their units, they simply regenerate in 2-3 rounds while i cant build new armies. I get simply outproduced.

i have no idea what i can do against this

THIS might be the rite of primeval glory rite. its a staple of lizardmen where they spawn an army filled with big dinos, carnos stegadons and other big stuff. they are always hard to deal with

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by 🅶 I|I Kael π:

https://i.imgur.com/LlAZz12.png

second army appeared. I had to emergency build up armies to get something. If i loose this town. the game for me is over.

But still: The army is able to beat 2x stacks, 17/20 + garrison of the city and i cant do anything to prevent it. Even in the battle itself i get OVERRUN without any problem.

This is clearly a design failure for me.


I play on NORMAL. This is something which shouldnt happen. These Lizardmen can field 2 or 3 of this 'regular' armies who beat 2-3 armies of mine at the same time without a problem.

Mate you are facing a army made up of mostly blessed unit (a special kind of unit that Lizardmen has that is just better, think of them as sorta RoR but not really) with some high tier units (For example temple guard).

The army is also mostly made up of one of the strong points of Lizardmen (their Saurus infantry).

Most of his infantry is also anti-large (so good against cav).

Not to mention that you are using a level 5 lord against a level 21 lord (with the possibility of all the unit buffs that include).

His army is higher quality then yours and seemingly specialized against your army to boot (if we don't include AI buffs depending on difficulty you could likely afford 5 armies for that one army of his, that said its just a loose estimate).

[Kael]

https://i.imgur.com/NDj8nqS.jpg

At this army i throwed everything i had into. If this battle was lost, i would end up loosing this whole 6h game.

https://i.imgur.com/JmVjYgk.png

even after i beat the ♥♥♥♥ out of this big frog-dinosaur, they kept me working and working and working.

But in the end. the lady gave me her blessing and I KILLED THEM ALL!

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by 🅶 I|I Kael π:

https://i.imgur.com/NDj8nqS.jpg

At this army i throwed everything i had into. If this battle was lost, i would end up loosing this whole 6h game.

https://i.imgur.com/JmVjYgk.png

even after i beat the ♥♥♥♥ out of this big frog-dinosaur, they kept me working and working and working.

But in the end. the lady gave me her blessing and I KILLED THEM ALL!

Honestly kinda impressed that you won that one.

[Kael]

My lord only hat 122 kills... wasnt that lord... the regular knights of the realm carried that one i guess

[Ashley]

Everything from Bretonnia but cav is outright trash and cav are known for being not top tier

Ride or die only