Why do people say Giants are bad?

[Eldrin]

I always avoided them because everyone say their bad but got 1 Chaos Giant from starting a chaos faction. Why are they weak? They demolish most heroes, they can demolish infantry.

Or are they called bad just because of MP not vs AI?

[Klutch]

They got a huge buff recently. I always loved using them though, they make battles 100% more epic.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by Klutch:

They got a huge buff recently. I always loved using them though, they make battles 100% more epic.

What was the buff?

[cb4n28]

It isn't that they are "bad" on the battlefield. It's that for the most part by the time you can recruit them you have access to a lot of other powerful units that are better and/or more cost effective.

I think that goes double for multiplayer.

Additionally, they are particularly vulnerable to massed ranged attacks since they mostly have relatively low armor and literally tower over the battlefield. Which is another thing that goes double for multiplayer.

I still use them, but then I'm more of a roleplaying guy than a min maxing legendary difficulty guy

[Cuthalion]

Originally posted by Eldrin:

Originally posted by Klutch:

They got a huge buff recently. I always loved using them though, they make battles 100% more epic.

What was the buff?

Their armor and damage output got increased. Also (not sure if it was always so), WoC can boost their ranged damage resistance to 40% (veteran + research for 4+ level), which makes them way more tanky against archers while they stride to melee.

[Xaphnir]

They're better than they were in WH2: https://twwstats.com/unitscards?units=f%3D0%26k%3Dwh_main_chs_mon_giant%26m%26r%3D0%26v%3D3338877168984693885&units=f%3D0%26k%3Dwh_main_chs_mon_giant%26m%26r%3D0%26v%3D6009914752132233841

More armor and added missile resistance means they no longer fall over just because a few units of T1 archers targeted them for 20 seconds. And a lot of the negative view of them has to do with their old stats.

[A.Pot]

Probably because too many are sheep who listen to youtubers like Legend of Total War. Now I get it if you are playing on the harder difficulties where the stats get altered, but I always thought Giants were a pretty good unit, not amazing but good. They certainly hit very hard, especially on Legendary Lords.

[Ashley]

They're still a hard pass for me the only thing they're good for in my experience is getting nearly instantly deleted and being a waste of an army slot. They still get shrekt in my experience playing against them. Slightly better but they still suck.

They were definitely not t4-5 material to me.

[kkc495]

Originally posted by Eldrin:

I always avoided them because everyone say their bad but got 1 Chaos Giant from starting a chaos faction. Why are they weak? They demolish most heroes, they can demolish infantry.

Or are they called bad just because of MP not vs AI?

Like every unit in the game, it depends on how u use them.

However, giants are usually slow and can easily gang up on by archery, and guns fires.

[Triple G]

They´re good duelists - but factions which have giants, usually also have good duelists as lords and heroes. Imho they´re ok. Neither especially good nor bad. Can´t harm to have a giant in some army just for the sake of it.

[Vexitus]

They are easy targets for ranged units to just focus fire down due to their size and speed.

[I LIVE AGAIN]

anything giant in TWW3 gets oneshoted in seconds unless you babysit it

[Atomsk]

All the giants are obese.

[GlompFox]

Giants are pretty darn good at wrecking lords and heroes. I like them.

[TuckTheAssassin]

Originally posted by A.Pot:

Probably because too many are sheep who listen to youtubers like Legend of Total War. Now I get it if you are playing on the harder difficulties where the stats get altered, but I always thought Giants were a pretty good unit, not amazing but good. They certainly hit very hard, especially on Legendary Lords.

In the first 2 games they were objectively just bad, regardless of difficulty. They were big and slow with no armor or ranged resistance. People are not sheep just because they have brains.

[Cuthalion]

I have not played WH1, but in WH2 they were just a bit worse than alternate unit(s) for every faction, and they usually had too high tier building to recruit.
For Greenskins, they were less useful than Arachnaroks (and 5 tier vs 4 before greenskin change)
For WoC, they were worse than Shaggoths, for Norsca - inferior to Mammoths etc.

Now, WoC can basically get them in any mountains. Not guaranteed, but when you play enough in mountain areas you can have a bunch of them, and early in the game too, when they rock.
Beastmen get them quite early, too - before other monsters, - and they are cheaper to increase capacity. So, very useful, too.
And their increased missile resistance, armor and damage definitely make them competitive enough.