How on earth does confederation work?

[Avlaen]

One turn its at -1 so i can almost confederate. with yvresse.

Next turn its at -38, nothing major changed, none of my armies died my relationship with them didnt change? i dont understand how in 1 turn it can vary that much

[Ashley]

Your strength, theirs, and their military power comes into it. They probably won a battle and feel safer now no no confederation. Watch their armies. Wait for their army to get obliterated and the chance generally goes way up after.

[Avlaen]

Originally posted by WALTUH:

Your strength, theirs, and their military power comes into it. They probably won a battle and feel safer now no no confederation. Watch their armies. Wait for their army to get obliterated and the chance generally goes way up after.

The only armies they have are on ulthuan they didnt attack any body as no one was near.

[Ashardalon]

it doesnt

[Triple G]

Did they get any new allies? Was their faction leader injured? Have they upgraded their major settlement? Have they fewer enemies? Have their enemies lost their faction leader to injury? Did their faction leader level up? Did they recruit some high tier units? Did You expand so they like You less? Things like that...

Usually You´ve got the best chances to confederate, if they lost all their armies - or at least the one high level army with the faction leader - and are at war with stronger factions.

[RVex]

and yet, dont confederate no 1, played as kroggar, tried confederate oxyotl, he got crushed 3 times in 3 diferents campaigns, all the times, he refused confederate, even with only 1 territorie remaining, no armies, and i spend tons of time and effort to have 100+ diplomatic status, 3 full provincies, 2 full armies, 3 heroes/agents in field and etc etc etc. and still cant confederate a destroyed guy. quited from the game.

[SomeGuy1]

Originally posted by Canoness Avlaen:

One turn its at -1 so i can almost confederate. with yvresse.

Next turn its at -38, nothing major changed, none of my armies died my relationship with them didnt change? i dont understand how in 1 turn it can vary that much

whether their LL is wounded is a pretty large factor. About 37 points, even. The other major factor is that the odds of confed change in large swings at specific relations breakpoints (100, 150, and 200). You can be at -60 from 101-149 relations, and then the moment it hits 150 it gets a big jump to -27.
If someone is in between 0 and -20, you can get them to agree by Threatening them. Sometimes even up to -30.

[A.Pot]

Probably because Eltharion is not feeling threatened enough that he should join you.

Total War Warhammer 1 and 2 Confeds were honestly better as there was no limit to the amount of money you can bribe the npc factions to join you.

[GeoG85]

I just gave up on confederations and just use the save friendly confederation mods. Just hit 150 rep and they'll confederate. Get some early low level confederations too, where they didn't put like 30+ points into tier 1 units.

[Avlaen]

even a minor HE faction with ONE settlement and half an army and are strength rank 85 while im strength rank 5 and they are BEST FRIENDS WITH ME have a -70 to the confederation deal.

[RVex]

yeah, tried again, i even make a post on bug because of it, from nothing the diplomatic relation is cut down, turn 1 says the next turn will be 20, and then on turn 2, is 10, and there is no reason where the -10 come. garbage. they tried to make the confederation "hard" but make it unbearable. or you need mods for the most trivial things, or you dont play the game, like im stoping again!.
i wish they just put the quality of life changes on game 2 and thats a deal for me,

[Basarab Laiota]

Originally posted by RVex:

and yet, dont confederate no 1, played as kroggar, tried confederate oxyotl, he got crushed 3 times in 3 diferents campaigns, all the times, he refused confederate, even with only 1 territorie remaining, no armies, and i spend tons of time and effort to have 100+ diplomatic status, 3 full provincies, 2 full armies, 3 heroes/agents in field and etc etc etc. and still cant confederate a destroyed guy. quited from the game.

Lizardmen don't confederate, silly

[Sarumoon]

It's simple, everyone hands you all their territories, and armies.

You just push the green "win" button.

Babies first Total War..


Just mod it out.

[Amereth]

Confederation was better in wh2 but made the game easier for some factions. Unfortunately they wanted to change that with wh3 and it is now way harder to confederate.

easiest way is still to shower them with small gifts from personal experience. Maybe there is something new i haven't found yet.

[Emperor's Champion]

Make sure you don't have any alliances with them either. If a faction is involved in a defensive or military alliance with you they will obviously feel much safer and therefore not feel a need to confederate.

Changes to confederation were one of the things i disliked most about 3 as is the poor reasoning CA had for making the change: "We don't want players easily painting the map"... Irrelevant as this happens anyway..

Bring back WH2 confederations where we could bribe other factions with large sums of gold to join us.

[GeoG85]

Originally posted by Canoness Avlaen:

One turn its at -1 so i can almost confederate. with yvresse.

Next turn its at -38, nothing major changed, none of my armies died my relationship with them didnt change? i dont understand how in 1 turn it can vary that much

Confederation has normal algorythyms. And Challenge Algorythyms.

The normal algorythyms are, hit at least 150+ rep. Make sure you have more Strength level than them. And make sure their armies just got wiped out.

The Challenge Algorythyms, is after a certain turn, some people just stop confederating and letting getting vassalized for the 'challenge' factor. And the only override, is save friendly confederation mods.

Once had a Wulfrik at 2000+ reputation. Wouldn't vassalize unless I loaded the mod.