Radious, Sfo Grimhammer, ou Vanilla ?

[Ardordor]

What are the pros and c-ons of each, if someone has time to explain. ^^

[Eisen]

+1 Grimhammer

[assarhadon]

Try radious, best choice ever

[IonizedMercury]

Originally posted by Slaanesh Cultist:

Vanilla because it's the most balanced and fun. Grimhammer is way too interested in unit caps and artificially limiting what the player can do while Radious is over the top and silly.

Vanilla definitely tilts heavily towards the player so I wouldn't call it balanced at all.

[Messuri]

Vanilla and Balanced? Where? xD

+1 Grimhammer

Radious is too easy and only army spamming and spamming. Snowball-effect incoming

[Testikles]

SfO is great. Tons of "this should be vanilla"-moments. But if you look for crazy stuff check out radious. Definetely not vanilla at this point.

[Funky Monk]

Radious overbloats the rosters. I dunno too much about SFO.

Personally I just use a bunch of mods, I don't prefer overhauls

[Xanth™]

I would say its a matter of preference. I only played sfo grimhammer so far and with its unit caps you can't do doomstacks as easily as you can in vanilla. Thats for AI and for the player, which I consider a nice thing (as I said preference in this case thats mine).
Also low tier units keep being relevant for longer.
Economy is reworked, so there are more ways to build up a province. Some buildings not only have positive effects but negative effects to so you have to balance stuff out. Thats probably something thats a tiny little bit more like the older TWs.
Also Grimhammer adds units to the game from lore. So different Lords of a certain race, culture or similar feels a bit more different.
Is it always balanced? Probably not, since there is a lot going on. Is it fun? Yes! For me at least. I even played the Tomb Kings twice (Arkhan and Khalida) since both get unique units and thus feel different even in campaign.

And one last point: Battles in Grimhammer are a bit slower in general. The take a bit longer since most units have more hitpoints and in some cases more or less models than before. Skaven feel like a real swarm since Skavenslaves run around with 280 men (or rats) on ultra unit size.
Battles like: Dwarves vs Skaven surely feel epic thanks to this, because Dwarfs often have small unit numbers, while Skaven come in these really big groups. Its a literal battle between Quality vs Quantity... at least until Skaven come with some weapon teams and beat the dwarfs with technology.

[ChuTheMan]

Originally posted by Funky Monk:

Radious overbloats the rosters. I dunno too much about SFO.

Personally I just use a bunch of mods, I don't prefer overhauls

SFO adds a few unique units but nothing over the top like Radious.

Also SFO pretty much changes up almost all factions to be more unique and fun to play.

[Aleera]

Vanilla, I don't enjoy such massive overhaul mods. Merely minor tweaks.

[Ardordor]

Originally posted by Xanth™:

I would say its a matter of preference. I only played sfo grimhammer so far and with its unit caps you can't do doomstacks as easily as you can in vanilla. Thats for AI and for the player, which I consider a nice thing (as I said preference in this case thats mine).
Also low tier units keep being relevant for longer.
Economy is reworked, so there are more ways to build up a province. Some buildings not only have positive effects but negative effects to so you have to balance stuff out. Thats probably something thats a tiny little bit more like the older TWs.
Also Grimhammer adds units to the game from lore. So different Lords of a certain race, culture or similar feels a bit more different.
Is it always balanced? Probably not, since there is a lot going on. Is it fun? Yes! For me at least. I even played the Tomb Kings twice (Arkhan and Khalida) since both get unique units and thus feel different even in campaign.

And one last point: Battles in Grimhammer are a bit slower in general. The take a bit longer since most units have more hitpoints and in some cases more or less models than before. Skaven feel like a real swarm since Skavenslaves run around with 280 men (or rats) on ultra unit size.
Battles like: Dwarves vs Skaven surely feel epic thanks to this, because Dwarfs often have small unit numbers, while Skaven come in these really big groups. Its a literal battle between Quality vs Quantity... at least until Skaven come with some weapon teams and beat the dwarfs with technology.

Is it ok to use Grimhammer with mods or should i disable everything ?

[Testikles]

Originally posted by Ardordor:

Originally posted by Xanth™:

I would say its a matter of preference. I only played sfo grimhammer so far and with its unit caps you can't do doomstacks as easily as you can in vanilla. Thats for AI and for the player, which I consider a nice thing (as I said preference in this case thats mine).
Also low tier units keep being relevant for longer.
Economy is reworked, so there are more ways to build up a province. Some buildings not only have positive effects but negative effects to so you have to balance stuff out. Thats probably something thats a tiny little bit more like the older TWs.
Also Grimhammer adds units to the game from lore. So different Lords of a certain race, culture or similar feels a bit more different.
Is it always balanced? Probably not, since there is a lot going on. Is it fun? Yes! For me at least. I even played the Tomb Kings twice (Arkhan and Khalida) since both get unique units and thus feel different even in campaign.

And one last point: Battles in Grimhammer are a bit slower in general. The take a bit longer since most units have more hitpoints and in some cases more or less models than before. Skaven feel like a real swarm since Skavenslaves run around with 280 men (or rats) on ultra unit size.
Battles like: Dwarves vs Skaven surely feel epic thanks to this, because Dwarfs often have small unit numbers, while Skaven come in these really big groups. Its a literal battle between Quality vs Quantity... at least until Skaven come with some weapon teams and beat the dwarfs with technology.

Is it ok to use Grimhammer with mods or should i disable everything ?

Depends. Many mods are already included. Read the description of SfO and of the mods you want to use and try around a bit. If it's nothing too invasive it shouldn't be a problem. I run quite a few mods alongside SfO and for now it works well :- )

[Ardordor]

Originally posted by Rindenberg:

Originally posted by Ardordor:

Is it ok to use Grimhammer with mods or should i disable everything ?

Depends. Many mods are already included. Read the description of SfO and of the mods you want to use and try around a bit. If it's nothing too invasive it shouldn't be a problem. I run quite a few mods alongside SfO and for now it works well :- )

Okay thx !

[Chozer]

Originally posted by Slaanesh Cultist:

Vanilla because it's the most balanced and fun. Grimhammer is way too interested in unit caps and artificially limiting what the player can do while Radious is over the top and silly.

when you have 2000 hours in warhammer total war series you need more of a challenge. SFO is great for veterans like me. even i struggle sometimes and i played like 1200 hours in game 2 with just SFO. plus it makes sieges better and sometimes gives better playstyles for bad factions

[Mr.Hmm]

I dont use either, they either overtune stuff or overnerf stuff.

I just play Vanilla with a bunch of retexture mods and some mods that add Southern Realms or similar to the game.

[Deviant]

Vanilla + 150 mods