Immortal Empires (Reikland) is DAMNED HARD

[Captain Doombeard]

Some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is gonna come in here and say "skill issue" but buddy, I've played most of the Total War games, including Warhammer II, and Mortal Empires didn't feel like an impossible struggle right out the gate.

I've replayed the first twenty turns as Reikland about three times now. I'm on a fourth attempt. And it just ain't working, man.

There's a Nurgle faction that deletes Hochland right out the gate, every time.

Wissenland rebels at the WORST ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time, every time

Middenland is getting roflstomped by both the beastherds and the local orc faction

Ostermark is getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ by the elves and the vampires at the same time

Every time one of the Empire states goes down, I lose Imperial Authority.

OK, WELL, WHY ARE THEY ALL SET UP TO IMMEDIATELY FAIL AND DIE?

I can't be responsible for the entire Empire if I have to spend five turns crushing the Secessionists, and THEN have to deal with Marienburg taking a stab at me just as I'm mopping them up at the pass!

I get it. The Empire is in a desperate situation, and both uniting and protecting it is supposed to be hard, but SWEET MERCIFUL ♥♥♥♥ why am I dealing with so many threats at once? Why are my allies being exterminated so quickly?

Back it the ♥♥♥♥ off, turn it down a notch, do SOMETHING to balance this so that I'm not having to restart over and over just to get a slightly more favorable start. Get it back down to something resembling the difficulty level of Warhammer II's Mortal Empires campaign.

It wasn't this insane! It was bad, yeah, it got desperate, I had to restart a couple of times to get that campaign right. Mortal Empires was *tough* and I liked it that way.

But it wasn't this bad. It was doable, even when I had to stack up armies three-to-one against the Chaos hordes. Even though I had to speedrun the vampire counts and make nice with the dwarves and hold the passes against orcs and beasts and everything else, just to somehow scrape together enough stacks to handle the crazy endless chaos attacks from the north.

I had to min-max the everloving ♥♥♥♥ out of Mortal Empires, but I did it! I did it TWICE, at different difficulty levels.

I have enough experience to know when a game is a challenge, and when it's just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ laughing at me.

So fix it.

EDIT::

Update, my dudes:

I turned down the difficulty at first, and then it got... too damn easy. Just too easy, it was almost insulting.

So I went back to "normal" diff, and started doing what y'all told me. Handled the Secessionists by turn 6 or 7, didn't touch Marienburg until they forced me, sent my one big stack to handle the beastmen, ward off the Orcs, and peel back Festus around turn 16 while reconquering Hochland.

I focused on re-conquering fallen elector counts and giving them back their settlements. I'm now way in the positive for Imperial Authority and have started getting confederation offers (which I'm turning down for now).

I'm economically *way* in the positive, and I've developed Reikland province to be very rich in income and tech, so I'm finally able to produce advanced units and artillery.

I'm now at turn 20-something, and I'm starting to feel like I've got a handle on this thing. Turning my attention now to that fanged bat bastard Carstein, who is about to find out you don't ♥♥♥♥ with Franz.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and encouragement! I came here to let off some steam, and got love back, and I'm a better player for it.

Cheers!

[Pervy]

引用自 Mr.Hmm：

引用自 LostLogicUnit：

But OP got a point, Reikland is THE starter faction, they need to remove the tag of been the starter/easy faction. Since it clearly dont match, and they have done this befor, removing the tag that is.

Which makes the tag misleading, and incorrect.

This tag right here:
https://prnt.sc/KWOeKwtcQLGE
If reikland is hard now, then this tag is wrong.

Yeah i am not disagreeing, i am actually agreeing with you.

They kept the "recommended" the same as Mortal Empires (warhammer 2) and didnt change them for this.

Nice, and i must add, i only think the tag needs to be removed, and i disagree with op about empire needing to be fixd, i think just the label needs to be removed and thats THE fix.

Empire use to be this cake walk, "not anymore" and thats fine.
Some say its still easy, but who knows.

[DarkStar]

Sorry to say but its a skill issue. Turn down the difficulty. It's a harder experience then WH2.

[Emjay]

I'm currently playing a vh/h game ad Franz and I've had to restart it twice already as its insane.

I'm currently on my best run having secured my borders to the south, enough at least to keep kemmler and the brettonians attacking me (they hated me for killing marienburg). I've dealt with khazrak, he was pretty straight forward, but now I'm stuck fighting a level 33 Vlad, which dwarfs my 13 Franz, who has taken much of the east and Festus is also enjoying an assault. I've got disciples of the maw clawing up my ass and throt has popped down for a jaunt.

There's also a chaos gate open, presumably so belakor can swoop in and have a shindig.

This all happening whilst durthu is eating through the AI provinces I havnt secured yet. I'm just waiting for him to declare war on me.

All in all, it's going well... I'm losing army after army at the moment and I canr seem to kill vlad. He just regens too much!

[-Singularity-]

引用自 Emjay：

I'm currently playing a vh/h game ad Franz and I've had to restart it twice already as its insane.

I'm currently on my best run having secured my borders to the south, enough at least to keep kemmler and the brettonians attacking me (they hated me for killing marienburg). I've dealt with khazrak, he was pretty straight forward, but now I'm stuck fighting a level 33 Vlad, which dwarfs my 13 Franz, who has taken much of the east and Festus is also enjoying an assault. I've got disciples of the maw clawing up my ass and throt has popped down for a jaunt.

There's also a chaos gate open, presumably so belakor can swoop in and have a shindig.

This all happening whilst durthu is eating through the AI provinces I havnt secured yet. I'm just waiting for him to declare war on me.

All in all, it's going well... I'm losing army after army at the moment and I canr seem to kill vlad. He just regens too much!

friggin Vlad man. Hes such a menace.

[波西米亚剑圣]

did you aware that the Tech "state troop standards" wont +5 morale to your infantry

Maybe thats why

[yuzhonglu]

Again, mass pistoleers and outriders and build nothing except those units.

[Kameh]

The imperial authority system is now just complete trash. In WH2 it was dealable, now it's far too much based on luck on just on screwed you are.

It's baffling that it's listed as a recommended first campaign. It's like who ever did that actively wan'ts people to say "f**k this game"

[Triple G]

引用自 -|-Kameh-|-：

It's baffling that it's listed as a recommended first campaign. It's like who ever did that actively wan'ts people to say "f**k this game"

Nah - probably an "oversight" to remove that tag like someone wrote before. Somehow many oversights in general in the game, but anyway. Here perhaps nothing which is unsolvable.

[Emjay]

Imperial authority is indeed a pain in the arse. I don't see what value it really adds although I like the idea of there being a system in general that governs your performance, just not this one.

Would your authority increase the more elector counts you confederate? It doesn't make sense that your position is weaker because more people join you...

[Lamp]

Started an Empire game on VH/VH, was indeed pretty underdoggish at first. Stayed small/kept costs low and sold lots of settlements back to their owners for a lot of money. Played very defensive, just focusing the main province. Only needed one army for most of early/midgame and so had crazy economy. Managed to hit tier V by like turn 50. Overall the game's gone extremely well.

Never confederated until later game, absorbed Balthasar on like turn 60? and it went great. Got the Wissenland war event around turn 35ish. Had a huge battle with what's-his-face and then swept through the Nuln province, gaining access to their special steam tank. Almost never touched the influence points, always used them to avert civil wars and the authority just kept coming. Think when I saved it was at like 17 or more and I was around turn 75-80ish.

The healing mage + tanks out front + rifles combo still works wonders, just a meatgrinder. Been using this config: 4-5 greatswords/infantry, 4-5 rifles, 3 hellfire rockets, 4-5 tanks, a healing mage, another hero or two + w/e wildcards look fun.

The tanks sit way out front spaced out, shooting things and taking aggro (on guard mode so they stay put). The hellfires wreck things. Best to take them off fire at will and direct them manually once the enemy frontlines close in (use guard mode), they play fast and loose and *will* target units engaged in melee with your own troops.
The riflemen shred the enemy troops that start clustering around your tanks and the healer keeps those tanks healthy. Pace yourself with your magic, the minor healing spells can go a long way with those tanks.
And the infantry you want mostly at the sides and a little bit forward with maybe 1 near the rockets/behind center rifle line for emergencies/flyers. They can deal with w/e goes wide around the tank line and doesn't get aggroed. Then use w/e wildcards you want, magic, heroes, etc. and you golden.

I still find Empire vanilla, but thank you for encouraging me to see where they're at. Yeah they definitely have a rough start with all the new enemies.


Main points:

* Plan on taking settlements that you can sell for a hefty profit. I'm talking like Kemmler decides to take a fort- so you take it from him and sell it to the Franch for like 10k. And if you're *for sure* going to lose a settlement: sell it! If the faction you sell it to is also at war with whoever's gonna take it you can retake it or sell it again soon after.

* Keep as much of that influence currency as possible and never confed until you're way past ready. Confederating just means you have that much more land to defend and the costs can cripple you.

* Play defensive and just focus your starting province for a while. Any sackings are gonna set you back for turns, don't let it happen even once. Expect Khazrak to pay you a visit from the north pretty quickly off the start.

* Fight every battle to minimise casualties. Having no downtime for the first dozen or so turns is massive, do not trust autoresolve.

* Healing mage + tanks + rifles is mega.


Edit: and I just saw the update to the post lol. Glad you got it down, long live the Empire!

[chickabumpbump]

Theres a mod which gives you Reiksguard infantry

[-Singularity-]

I'm hoping we see a another update for many old races like they did for WH 1 races in WH2. The Elector mechanic is just weird and not fun.

[The Vindicator]

I agree with you, but if anything this just makes me want to play it more. When faced with overwhelming odds, faith, steel, and gunpowder will see humanity through...








also just download unit mods :P

[SmellyTerror]

引用自 Captain Doombeard：

Update, my dudes:

I turned down the difficulty at first, and then it got... too damn easy. Just too easy, it was almost insulting.

So I went back to "normal" diff, and started doing what y'all told me. Handled the Secessionists by turn 6 or 7, didn't touch Marienburg until they forced me, sent my one big stack to handle the beastmen, ward off the Orcs, and peel back Festus around turn 16 while reconquering Hochland.

I focused on re-conquering fallen elector counts and giving them back their settlements. I'm now way in the positive for Imperial Authority and have started getting confederation offers (which I'm turning down for now).

I'm economically *way* in the positive, and I've developed Reikland province to be very rich in income and tech, so I'm finally able to produce advanced units and artillery.

I'm now at turn 20-something, and I'm starting to feel like I've got a handle on this thing. Turning my attention now to that fanged bat bastard Carstein, who is about to find out you don't ♥♥♥♥ with Franz.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and encouragement! I came here to let off some steam, and got love back, and I'm a better player for it.

Cheers!

This is the way.
:)

[rajahafeez]

Is the Nuln Gunnery School building meant to remove access to lower tier units? I can't build Great Cannons after upgrading the building from the tier 3 one.