Is it possible to win as Kislev?

[Kalvix]

Just wondering as trying on Hard, and I'm trying to kill Throat first, already hard as he has a lot of big armies, but then the Bonerattlers will declare war on me if I don't have an army down south to stop them, and theres the Slaneesh and Ice Troll guy sending 2 full stacks my way as well.

Like... what? The only thing I could think now is just take the southern province, have an army there to stop the Bonerattlers attacking, but then don't try and go north to try and avoid getting aggro from to many other Chaos and Norse factions, and just hope that you get enough resources from 2 provinces to eventually get enough armies to fight back several full stacks at once.

[The Sand Witch]

Originally posted by Kalvix:

Just wondering as trying on Hard, and I'm trying to kill Throat first, already hard as he has a lot of big armies, but then the Bonerattlers will declare war on me if I don't have an army down south to stop them, and theres the Slaneesh and Ice Troll guy sending 2 full stacks my way as well.

Like... what? The only thing I could think now is just take the southern province, have an army there to stop the Bonerattlers attacking, but then don't try and go north to try and avoid getting aggro from to many other Chaos and Norse factions, and just hope that you get enough resources from 2 provinces to eventually get enough armies to fight back several full stacks at once.

Hi,

Which campaign?

In IE, it's best to remove the norscan threat to the south, then head to the mountain and remove the orcs. It will provide you with 3 provinces easily defendable, then you can head north.

You can recruit a second lord on turn one, and build its "army" (kossars) on your way back up north.

[Kalvix]

Ah ok I'll give that a go (it is IE), wanted to try and kill Throt early as he seemed like he'd become a huge threat if not dealt with quickly after securing your first province from the Norse, but ye doing that gets everybody in the north trying to kill you.

[Dragno]

yeah idk just getting ass kicked. don't understand lvl 3 setllement capital and has f all troops and army comes in from no where gg wtf. Don't have enough money nor troops to spread let alone push against 3 army in north one in capital and one south like wtf.

[Hieronymous]

I haven't been successful with them, meeting that challenge is on my list.

[Hieronymous]

I think targeting Throt early is very legit, though.

[The Sand Witch]

hmm ok so as Kislev here's my go-to and struggles:

1. Cap the 3 settlements south to remove your first norscan enemy.
Feel free to join war against beastmen with Franz and try to get as many NAP / trade agreements as u can with the empire and cathay.

2. Cap the mountain (you got a gold settlement there, good for your eco) and remove the GS threat.
If possible, get access to tier 2 infantry building to pack more armoured kossars.

At that point it can be relatively open.

First actual threat => Drycha. If drycha is at war with you, research the pirate weapon upgrade for your range units, otherwise piercing is going to be too low.
If you're not at war with her, you can spark war against sylvanya and remove them. Both areas there are great economically. Undead are relatively easy to remove but don't underestimate their characters nor overestimate your damage, cuz skeletons have a lot of hp.
If you don't want to clash against Vcounts, you can go back north and face throt at this point. Keep in mind you can be threatened from the south though, from both drycha & vlad.
Going north against throt, it's best going with 2 armies together since you never really know what's sneaking in the dark.

It's best to let throt declare war on you to not attract his potential allies with him (you can always check in the diplomacy pannel if and when he has any). He tends to be friends with the ugly trolls (fitting) but also the seductor of slaanesh. Best fight isolated enemies instead of all at once.
From there on a lot of things can happen.

[BIG E.]

Totally. Pro-tip, do not do alliances. Whenever you make an alliance with a faction their AI bonuses gets removed. So basicly you just want to have non-agression pact with reikland and ungrim, if you make an alliance with them they turn into vegetables and stop doing anything. (IF YOU ARE PLAYING ON NORMAL DIFFICULTY YOU CAN IGNORE THIS PART SINCE AI GETS NO BONUSES THERE)

I made the mistake of making alliances on Legendary difficulty and i basicly made the game 10 times harder than it should be.

Also, DO NOT extend towards chaos wastes. Be ready for Grimgor, chaos is a joke, Grimgor is your main threat. Capture the ports to the north and hold them DO NOT EXTEND before dealing with Grimgor.

Early game be ready to take care of drycha around turn 10. Its ok if she takes 2 of your minor settlements, you can take them back after purging Azhag from face of the erath. But make sure to wipe out Azhag ASAP.

[Kalvix]

It sounds like they really need to balance Kislevs enemies, they are meant to be the shield against Chaos, but all the advice seems to be "god south, ignore the north". And honestly that seems like the best advice as going south you get far more people you can fight 1 by 1, while up north you get ganged up on so quickly you don't have time to do anything.

[✪Asielra✪]

Much good advice here, going Norsca->Orcs->Rats is the best way to go about this campaign. I'll only add that it is not a completely horrible idea to let Throt take Prague and then take it from him to avoid penalty of declaring on fellow Kislevites, and it's also worth helping Kostaltyn after dealing with Throt, if he is still alive. In my campaign I killed Azazel and gave his settlemnt to the Orthodoxy. This secured me some treaties and stabilized them, thanks to which I could forget about the Western front and focus my attention on the Northern/Eastern fronts.

Upd: Ambush stance is your best friend in this campaign.

[BIG E.]

Originally posted by Kalvix:

It sounds like they really need to balance Kislevs enemies, they are meant to be the shield against Chaos, but all the advice seems to be "god south, ignore the north". And honestly that seems like the best advice as going south you get far more people you can fight 1 by 1, while up north you get ganged up on so quickly you don't have time to do anything.

North is actually easier to deal with.

The reason you wanna focus south is because otherwise Grimgor is gonna smash you while you are busy with north. And you know how much Grimgor AI cheats.

[A.Pot]

You set the game to hard in the first place so there is that. I would recommend building the hallowed woods in every town and try to ambush the hell out of your enemies

[Jukelo]

Originally posted by Kalvix:

they are meant to be the shield against Chaos,

They're also meant to be doomed.

[Kalvix]

So far on next attempt going south has worked, killed the Orcs and then got defensive alliance with Reikland which gave access to all of the Empire and some Brettonia for non-aggression pacts, giving me a HUGE influx of cash.

So ye that seems to be how you do it, go south first, and make sure to ally Franz so you can take advantage of sucking his friends dry of money to fund building all the crap you'll be struggling to afford otherwise, but without which you'll struggle to afford a decent army.

[The Warmongering Khan]

Originally posted by BIG E.:

Totally. Pro-tip, do not do alliances. Whenever you make an alliance with a faction their AI bonuses gets removed. So basicly you just want to have non-agression pact with reikland and ungrim, if you make an alliance with them they turn into vegetables and stop doing anything. (IF YOU ARE PLAYING ON NORMAL DIFFICULTY YOU CAN IGNORE THIS PART SINCE AI GETS NO BONUSES THERE)

I made the mistake of making alliances on Legendary difficulty and i basicly made the game 10 times harder than it should be.

Also, DO NOT extend towards chaos wastes. Be ready for Grimgor, chaos is a joke, Grimgor is your main threat. Capture the ports to the north and hold them DO NOT EXTEND before dealing with Grimgor.

Early game be ready to take care of drycha around turn 10. Its ok if she takes 2 of your minor settlements, you can take them back after purging Azhag from face of the erath. But make sure to wipe out Azhag ASAP.

Wait, are we finally heading back to sanity with accepting alliances are bad? Or are you just a lone voice in the darkness? I swear there was a period of time where we were just supposed to accept that alliance were good because you got a slightly larger unit pool, as if that was equal to the problems with the AI that are inherent to them.

[Kalvix]

OK and its back to a screw up campaign again... Empire and Dwarves refuse to fight against Sylvania, but I can't keep fighting them as while they are very close to losing my armies are both on the verge of collapse and 4 more enemies are coming in from the East and North.

My god has anybody ever won as Kislev without cheese? I just don't see how you do it when you are bum rushed non stop by enemies from almost every direction, and can't even help it. I tried to help kill Sylvania because they would otherwise continue to wipe out the Empire, but the Empire are so terrible they STILL refuse to do anything but die.