Mortal Empires vs Immortal Empires

[Siegfield]

Hello, in this thread id like to open a discussion about comparing WH2s Mortal Empires Experience and the WH3 Immortal Empires experience.

Please share your opinion, which one did you think was more fun? Which one had you hooked for longer?

What were your most fun things to do in either of them?

Has the AI improved in your opinion?

Are you running mods? or just a vanilla experience?

In my opinion i cant seem to enjoy WH3s immortal empires as much as the WH2s mortal empires experience. I played the chaos rework which was one of the most fun things i have ever done in a total war game. But after that i really have that itch to keep playing warhammer 3 but unlike warhammer 2, i get bored earlier and shut the game off.
I am probably just a victim of total war fatigue as i have played all the new races in the Realm of Chaos campaign and all the other are ones ive played the death before in WH2.

Or maybe there is something wrong i am not seeing and would like some 2nd opinions.


(Sidenote: if you willingly have an anime profile picture please refrain from entering this thread. Anything you will say will be dismissed, as your kind is known for extremely low IQ takes.)

[MrSoul]

Little hard to make a real assessment given head start ME has over IE timewise(simply just existed longer than IE has), but I’ll play

1. IE. Even so far know more replay ability with new end game scenarios, overall too nice mix up for map. ME was very predictable over time.

2. Fight chaos(I mean made a whole mod to enhance that aspect), IE, I dunno got all same trappings but see over time what end up enjoying the most

3. Nah, it’s same just tweaked differently

4. Mods both, basically same set but largely preferential choices not knock on vanilla

But ya, personally all I have to say, see in a year tho and I’d imagine be easy choice for me with IE.

[JoeShmoe]

Well hands down ME is better atm b/c its more fleshed out, plus mods knock it out of the park compared to IE.

I find IE to just be a jumbled mess with no real purpose. Its very easy to beat and there is no faction cohesion or grand setting 'feel'. Theres no point to what faction you choose to play as the Warhammer setting doesnt matter in this sandbox compared to ME.

There also seems to be some artificial limit on how much AI can expand as once a powerhouse faction hits a certain threshold they just seem to crumble despite not actually losing, again making the game easier.

Also, AI is still pretty meh. Thankfully its not Empire or MTW2 with low hp generals b/c they still yolo after more than a decade.. nuff said

[senate]

WH2 ME easily. WH3 IM is clearly a beta on what is now version 2.3 Diplomacy doesn't really exist. Range units broken. Massive faction imbalances. The art work is pretty good though.

[Ashardalon]

ME had garrisons
without opposition to conquest you lose all empire building as well as any opposition

[Zav]

ME had focused campaigns for the majority of factions, which carried over from Vortex. Gave fun buffs, and race/character specific objectives to keep you focused while playing. World felt 'tighter' and more cohesive.

The IE 'sandbox' on the other hand feels shallow and boring with a lot of factions. End game scenarios feel like a cheap substitute comparatively. Would have much preferred each faction had their own goals, antagonists and antagonists as in ME.

For example:
If Ogres had been in WH2: ME, you would have likely had a grand campaign that focused on satisfying the great maw, getting buffs/RoR access and items as you went and etc, being pushed to fight a certain enemy for a definitive reason.

In WH3: IE the ogre campaign is a shallow, boring mess with no direction other than 'right click enemy settlement' ad nauseam. This is the same for a lot of factions who's WH2 campaign objectives and mechanics didn't carry over.

I still like WH3: IE, but I'm not enjoying the IE sandbox focus nearly as much compared to WH2: ME as it currently stands.

[Puggly the Grey]

Well, considering that both currently lack Hotseat mode, it’s a tie from my perspective.

[Verchial]

I wish I could play (and play against) all the WH3 factions on the WH2 map.

I can’t seem to get over how cartoonish the WH3 map is.

[Uugly]

IE at the current state still far better than ME.

[Andartan]

Originally posted by ye:

IE at the current state still far better than ME.

This

[Funky Monk]

Nearly every campaign I played was modded. As for ME vs IE, I’d choose IE. I like the larger Campaign, the new races (especially Khorne) and WoC is my favourite race now. (because of the rework) IE also has proper Siege maps and Minor settlements (though they got annoying until the patch that made them less common) and finally we have proper continents. In ME the New World continents were incomplete (except Ulthuan), especially Lustria and the Southlands.

[forumcrybaby]

Originally posted by Funky Monk:

Nearly every campaign I played was modded. As for ME vs IE, I’d choose IE. I like the larger Campaign, the new races (especially Khorne) and WoC is my favourite race now. (because of the rework) IE also has proper Siege maps and Minor settlements (though they got annoying until the patch that made them less common) and finally we have proper continents. In ME the New World continents were incomplete (except Ulthuan), especially Lustria and the Southlands.

I cannot stand how they butchered Lustria and the Southlands in ME despite creating them for Vortex. Also there are less races. I will never go back. Anyone saying IE is not better is not playing with mods. Without mods sniffing paint is more replayable then any modern Total War game. IE(modded) is far superior to ME(modded). Vanilla ME is trash as is vanilla IE.

[Funky Monk]

Originally posted by beers:

Originally posted by Funky Monk:

Nearly every campaign I played was modded. As for ME vs IE, I’d choose IE. I like the larger Campaign, the new races (especially Khorne) and WoC is my favourite race now. (because of the rework) IE also has proper Siege maps and Minor settlements (though they got annoying until the patch that made them less common) and finally we have proper continents. In ME the New World continents were incomplete (except Ulthuan), especially Lustria and the Southlands.

I cannot stand how they butchered Lustria and the Southlands in ME despite creating them for Vortex. Also there are less races. I will never go back. Anyone saying IE is not better is not playing with mods. Without mods sniffing paint is more replayable then any modern Total War game. IE(modded) is far superior to ME(modded). Vanilla ME is trash as is vanilla IE.

Yeah, I always find modded gameplay much more fun

[Siegfield]

Originally posted by beers:

Originally posted by Funky Monk:

Nearly every campaign I played was modded. As for ME vs IE, I’d choose IE. I like the larger Campaign, the new races (especially Khorne) and WoC is my favourite race now. (because of the rework) IE also has proper Siege maps and Minor settlements (though they got annoying until the patch that made them less common) and finally we have proper continents. In ME the New World continents were incomplete (except Ulthuan), especially Lustria and the Southlands.

I cannot stand how they butchered Lustria and the Southlands in ME despite creating them for Vortex. Also there are less races. I will never go back. Anyone saying IE is not better is not playing with mods. Without mods sniffing paint is more replayable then any modern Total War game. IE(modded) is far superior to ME(modded). Vanilla ME is trash as is vanilla IE.

What mods are you running? so far i only have the Agressive AI mod.

[DasaKamov]

IME is the same as ME, just with more features.

[senate]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

IME is the same as ME, just with more features.

and bugs.