Empire Karl Franz IE campaign question

[Xequilibrium]

Hello all,

I really want to play a Empire campaign with Karl Franz (he's my fav empire lord), but i know their elector count system is broken.

So i wonder, even if you loose elector counts, is the campaign still playable? Does it matter if you loose a elector count? Do you still get they regiment of renown unit and benefits when you conquer their province afterwards? Can the empire handle the enemies around them etc?

Thank you for the replies :)

[jbwjr]

The Elector count system is broken? No it works just fine.

Dont worry about losing the elector counts too much (they dont do themselves any favors), if they get whipped out you can just "Return to elector count" when you take or colonize their settlements which will "Reinstate Elector count", which also gets you some nice Imperial Authority and political power to boot.

As for the Units and their items, all you need to do is capture the "Capital" of each Province and thats GOOD ENOUGH, then you just appoint a general of your choosing to that capital in the Elector count menu and boom, special gear acquired and special units unlocked.

[Xequilibrium]

Originally posted by jbwjr:

The Elector count system is broken? No it works just fine.

Dont worry about losing the elector counts too much (they dont do themselves any favors), if they get whipped out you can just "Return to elector count" when you take or colonize their settlements which will "Reinstate Elector count", which also gets you some nice Imperial Authority and political power to boot.

As for the Units and their items, all you need to do is capture the "Capital" of each Province and thats GOOD ENOUGH, then you just appoint a general of your choosing to that capital in the Elector count menu and boom, special gear acquired and special units unlocked.

Awesome, exactly what i was wondering. U answered very clear and quick. Thanks.

Now i defenitly going to start a Franz campaign tonight.

One more question tho, Is the empire army good enough to hold back festus and Grom? I heard theyre both OP. When i played (broken) kislev i had hard times fighting of Drycha and Festus.

[jbwjr]

Originally posted by Xequilibrium:

Originally posted by jbwjr:

The Elector count system is broken? No it works just fine.

Dont worry about losing the elector counts too much (they dont do themselves any favors), if they get whipped out you can just "Return to elector count" when you take or colonize their settlements which will "Reinstate Elector count", which also gets you some nice Imperial Authority and political power to boot.

As for the Units and their items, all you need to do is capture the "Capital" of each Province and thats GOOD ENOUGH, then you just appoint a general of your choosing to that capital in the Elector count menu and boom, special gear acquired and special units unlocked.

Awesome, exactly what i was wondering. U answered very clear and quick. Thanks.

Now i defenitly going to start a Franz campaign tonight.

One more question tho, Is the empire army good enough to hold back festus and Grom? I heard theyre both OP. When i played (broken) kislev i had hard times fighting of the woodelves and Grom.

Honestly Don't know, but nothing some good tactics cant fix. From what iv played so far, Grom kinda got STOMPED by Britonna and Festus has been a royal pain to deal with.

Festus REALLY, and i mean REALLY loves his monsters (Beasts of Nurgal, Chaos spawn) from what iv seen so far. Bring some Armor Piercing as well as Anti Large units, and you should be able to deal with him just fine.

[Inardesco]

The people that complain about the Elector Count system are noobs that lose the game on easy. Even if they get killed you can still get plenty of Imp authority from bringing them back + they be loyal because of it so easy confeds afterwards.

Besides, you can return settlements despite herdstone presence so not even Khazrak can prevent you from getting imp authority.

[Xequilibrium]

Originally posted by jbwjr:

Originally posted by Xequilibrium:

Awesome, exactly what i was wondering. U answered very clear and quick. Thanks.

Now i defenitly going to start a Franz campaign tonight.

One more question tho, Is the empire army good enough to hold back festus and Grom? I heard theyre both OP. When i played (broken) kislev i had hard times fighting of the woodelves and Grom.

Honestly Don't know, but nothing some good tactics cant fix. From what iv played so far, Grom kinda got STOMPED by Britonna and Festus has been a royal pain to deal with.

Festus REALLY, and i mean REALLY loves his monsters (Beasts of Nurgal, Chaos spawn) from what iv seen so far. Bring some Armor Piercing as well as Anti Large units, and you should be able to deal with him just fine.

Ya Festus indeed walked around with allllllooottttt of monsters on my Kislev campaign. I will try and see how to empire does tonight.

Im going to try and snipe festus. I think if hes gone the empire could be running well enough. I think he's the biggest problem atm.

All chaos lords are OP anyway.

Thnx ;)

[Xequilibrium]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

The people that complain about the Elector Count system are noobs that lose the game on easy. Even if they get killed you can still get plenty of Imp authority from bringing them back + they be loyal because of it so easy confeds afterwards.

Besides, you can return settlements despite herdstone presence so not even Khazrak can prevent you from getting imp authority.

Ya i didn't played the empire yet on TWW. but i red allot so i just asked to be sure:)

[Inardesco]

First deal with Successionists, then focus on Festus. He'll be a pain but with any luck he's just sacking those dudes instead of occupying them. Keep his keep for yourself and return the rest to the AI.

[Tavio]

one of the best ways to deal with festus problem units are either handgunners or crossbowmen (aka the giants and big fat units), a good way to deal with festus himself is the free company too, it may take you a bit to learn how to deal with him but once yu get him down, you can deal with him easier and faster every next campaign.

one thing that people havent said is, that you dont NEED to reinstate elector counts as they can be a bit of a drag too, but you have to think carefully and plan around them too.

for example, early game, Boris toddbringer has problems with kazrak and will lose a settlement to him, usually i do return it to him, and on ocasion i do reinstate him if kazrak and festus and goblins wipe him out, because i can make use of him developing those cities as well as being a buffer zone towards norscans.

when i deal with festus and recover hochland's two cities, i do not reinstate that faction at all, (i consider it a waste to do so), same with stirland and averland if i take up the lands from the vampires because they wiped them out, by then my economy is in good enough position to develop the lands myself.

and personally, i try to give priority to the golden order in the elector count dilemas, the faster you can confed him, the faster you can get a solid legendary lord to help secure the empire, only times i dont is when he is involved with a war with another count, unless he is at 9 fealty and the choice of doing nothing gives me that +1 fealty to absorb him next turn without any issues

[Xequilibrium]

Will do.

Btw, is Marienburg still a main target? In WH2 u needed to take it quick cuz else Louen would take it. Is that still the case in WH3? Cuz marienburg is crucial for Franz imo.

[Xequilibrium]

Originally posted by Tavio:

one of the best ways to deal with festus problem units are either handgunners or crossbowmen (aka the giants and big fat units), a good way to deal with festus himself is the free company too, it may take you a bit to learn how to deal with him but once yu get him down, you can deal with him easier and faster every next campaign.

one thing that people havent said is, that you dont NEED to reinstate elector counts as they can be a bit of a drag too, but you have to think carefully and plan around them too.

for example, early game, Boris toddbringer has problems with kazrak and will lose a settlement to him, usually i do return it to him, and on ocasion i do reinstate him if kazrak and festus and goblins wipe him out, because i can make use of him developing those cities as well as being a buffer zone towards norscans.

when i deal with festus and recover hochland's two cities, i do not reinstate that faction at all, (i consider it a waste to do so), same with stirland and averland if i take up the lands from the vampires because they wiped them out, by then my economy is in good enough position to develop the lands myself.

and personally, i try to give priority to the golden order in the elector count dilemas, the faster you can confed him, the faster you can get a solid legendary lord to help secure the empire, only times i dont is when he is involved with a war with another count, unless he is at 9 fealty and the choice of doing nothing gives me that +1 fealty to absorb him next turn without any issues

I see. But if you don't reinstall them their bonusses and regiments of renown are lost forver right?
Also there is Marienburg. I think you need to take it quick wich is costly. That gives festus even more time to expand.

A nice tactical challenge tho. I like this kind of campaigns more then the easy brainless ones

[Beytran70]

Originally posted by Xequilibrium:

Will do.

Btw, is Marienburg still a main target? In WH2 u needed to take it quick cuz else Louen would take it. Is that still the case in WH3? Cuz marienburg is crucial for Franz imo.

Yes, although it is still very hard to hold and requires garrison buildings to ward off wayward Norscans and stuff.

[Tavio]

you dont need to confederate elector counts to get their regiments, as one stated in an earlier post, when you take control of a capital settlement, there is this button on the lower right corner, an emblem/coin, that brings the elector count panel, if you own the capital through whatever means, you can put a general (lord, priest or hunter) and you get both the weapon and access to the regiment

and while marienburg is important, its not entirely a priority for me, after taking out the secessionists, second target may actually be nuln, either by them secceeding or you attacking them, if you can get their capital and put a lord in there you can get access to regiment steam tank way before you can get a city to tier 5, which is a huge boon now that cities are so expensive to rank up to t4 and t5, but have ot be careful since they tend to have a full stack quite early on too

[Xequilibrium]

Originally posted by Tavio:

you dont need to confederate elector counts to get their regiments, as one stated in an earlier post, when you take control of a capital settlement, there is this button on the lower right corner, an emblem/coin, that brings the elector count panel, if you own the capital through whatever means, you can put a general (lord, priest or hunter) and you get both the weapon and access to the regiment

and while marienburg is important, its not entirely a priority for me, after taking out the secessionists, second target may actually be nuln, either by them secceeding or you attacking them, if you can get their capital and put a lord in there you can get access to regiment steam tank way before you can get a city to tier 5, which is a huge boon now that cities are so expensive to rank up to t4 and t5, but have ot be careful since they tend to have a full stack quite early on too

Ok i understand. I will check it out later.

My problem with marienburg is tho that if Louen takes it, it's nearly impossible to get it back since he will prolly be your main ally for the whole game. We just need the $ from marienburg, lol

Thanks.

[chickabumpbump]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

The people that complain about the Elector Count system are noobs that lose the game on easy. Even if they get killed you can still get plenty of Imp authority from bringing them back + they be loyal because of it so easy confeds afterwards.

Besides, you can return settlements despite herdstone presence so not even Khazrak can prevent you from getting imp authority.

I dont know if its a difficulty issue or not since I havent played Empire since WH2, i think people get frustrated with the mechanic. It was bad in WH2 watching them all crumble and die to Drycha, vampires, Greenskins, skaven and norsca and NOW you have chaos and more in the area?!

I hated trying his campaign and I havent tried him in 3 yet, i think its people finding the mechanic frustrating and not fun. I think in co op though with someone helping you or with you as Kislev or Bret it would be fun?

[Xequilibrium]

Originally posted by chickabumpbump:

Originally posted by Inardesco:

The people that complain about the Elector Count system are noobs that lose the game on easy. Even if they get killed you can still get plenty of Imp authority from bringing them back + they be loyal because of it so easy confeds afterwards.

Besides, you can return settlements despite herdstone presence so not even Khazrak can prevent you from getting imp authority.

I dont know if its a difficulty issue or not since I havent played Empire since WH2, i think people get frustrated with the mechanic. It was bad in WH2 watching them all crumble and die to Drycha, vampires, Greenskins, skaven and norsca and NOW you have chaos and more in the area?!

I hated trying his campaign and I havent tried him in 3 yet, i think its people finding the mechanic frustrating and not fun. I think in co op though with someone helping you or with you as Kislev or Bret it would be fun?

Sadly enough my wife doesn't like TW games xD. I coop campaign with her would be easier to plan then with friends lol.