A Problem With Valkia And The Game in general.

[Hanz Bloodletter]

So, I fought valkia. And, three armies against her were set as a valiant defeat in the auto resolve. Ten units of shadow warriors shooting her couldn't take her out. She regened faster than they could shoot her. And, I just couldn't deal with it. She kept regenerating, and basically solo'd my whole army as her troops were minimal. Is this normal for this character or is there a bug? Because if this is normal, that needs to be fixed. Three armies should NOT lose to a force that only has melee infantry, two cav units, a melee lord, and two melee heroes. It just seems a little much to me.

Honestly, a big problem I have with the game is that it turns to me just exploiting, and tricking the AI if I'm not playing one of the big bad evil guys. Because, for some reason, an AI with one town can spam out eight full-stack armies. And, yes, I've watched this happen. I'm either constantly finding myself out numbered against a force that just whittles me down until I send in another army, or a force that for some reason smacks around three full stacks of VETERAN troops like they are nothing. And, this is really just a problem I have playing any of the human or elf factions. Skaven? Easy. Spam the enemy to death. Commit war crimes. You win. Belakor? Subjugate everything. You win by people fighting for you. If you don't want to subjugate everything, just take over all of Norsca, and you have an economy that can't be beat. N'kari? Subjugate even more than Belakor, and win even without even trying. Skarbrand? Burn down everything, literally no one can beat your army without both outnumbering and outgunning you. Vampire counts? Just send in Vlad. Not playing vlad? Zombies are better than they should be. Hordes of zombies with some wraiths, a bunch of skeletons, and maybe a crypt ghoul or too can beat almost anything except for Skarbrand. Even the greenskins, where you're usually at war with everything in existence, throwing hands with the universe itself, are still easier to play than any human or elf faction. I just feel like I'm penalized for playing someone that isn't one of the big bad guys. Hell, I've trounced greatswords with a couple of clan rats, and a skavenslave unit. That shouldn't happen. This greatsword unit had XP when the skaven units were just plopped out five seconds ago. The evil factions are fun to play. They're easy to play. They're simple. Anything that isn't chaos? Literally a struggle no matter the difficulty. Literally a regiment of renown phoenix, and two dragons with silverin guards, white lions, white lion beast, and shadow warriors couldn't even come close to taking on a chaos army. It just seems like you aren't meant to play a faction that isn't hellbent on the destruction of all living things. You have to play an evil faction. And, as Chaos, The Skaven, or the Vampires I have so many powerful allies that world can't stop me. And, if you're playing Chaos, your allies are nothing compared to your hordes of vassals. Nothing stands a chance. Even other chaos factions have a hard time. Now, don't get me wrong, your allies will do nothing. Even if you do war co-ordination. They will do absolutely nothing helpful. The most helpful thing they do is sometimes spread aggro. But, nine times out of ten, you're fighting alone.

For instance, I play Kislev? I'm so outnumbered that it's a slog. I play Reikland? Easy enough at the start. But, fighting Vlad? Outnumbered while dealing with an annoying slog. Oh, and have fun dealing with Festus. Bretonia? Have fun dealing with vampires, greenskins, Belakor, Festus and maybe N'Kari if he feels like he should deign to "bless" you with his presence. Your allies? In the fetal position, and crying for mercy while you're holding off every enemy faction out there. You literally end up having several allies against three factions, and you end up being the only one fighting those three factions. It feels like alliances just don't matter, unlike in Warhammer 2 where a good military alliance could change the game. I had a game in Warhammer 2 where Maliketh and I (playing Ikit Claw) had basically a world war with Riekland and the other Empire factions. Both sides owned huge swaths of land, and so many factions were getting in on it. Especially since there was so much free land after the defeat of the Chaos invasion. It felt authentic in how world affairs would go. In Warhammer 3, I fought one battle with my allies. That is it. They are downright USELESS unless they are vassals.

I'm sorry for the long post, but I at least wanted to see if there's anyone out there slightly experiencing it, or if I'm just going mad.

[Karol]

Valkia is a beast. And is a very small model size, moving around, hard to hit with arrows, hard to hit in melee. Her army is also strong. Made the same mistake as you underestimating her.

Other then that, i feel it's the opposite what you say. If you try to play a good faction like dwarfs, Kislev it's easy mode on legendary difficulty. They are just op factions, learn their strengths and playstyle.

[Hanz Bloodletter]

I didn't underestimate her. I was terrified to go against her, so I made sure the armies I sent against her would be a force that wouldn't easily be beat. Especially with such high quality units. Her army wasn't the problem. Her army melted. She was the problem, and that is my big issue with her. And, I do have to respectfully disagree with saying that Kislev is an OP faction, they honestly seem weak compared to other factions. Especially after seeing Konstaltyn die on turn five during the Ice Court campaign. The struggle was fun at first, but eventually, I couldn't keep fighting for every centimeter of land with allies who do absolutely nothing. I literally went back, and beat up Festus hoping my allies would assist me, and they just sat in their towns. And, of course, fighting Azazel, Belakor, and Throgg by oneself isn't easy.

[Karol]

There should be a heal cap, before the update there was a bug that increased heal cap by 1000% so I don't know how can it happen now.

I played Kislev twice and each time I was invading chaos wastes on turn 60 with empire and mountains secured. AI allies do struggle and had to save them but after that it just snowballs. If you have a rough start I can see things getting out of controll, but still, your units are op, you can easily beat anything comming at you once you get like 10 streltsy and some tzar guard for egzample.

[Okat]

Shadow Warriors don't have much in the way of armor penetration, iirc. That's why you couldn't kill her with your archers: she has high armor, a shield, is small and is very mobile. Lords can be very scary to fight, sometimes it's better to just ignore them entirely and focus on breaking the army's morale by routing the weaker units.

Chaos factions are not particularly overpowered in terms of armies, especially not when compared to the likes of Kislev. However, they can be completely overwhelming if you don't have an appropriate army composition, and they are probably a bit stronger on the whole than Warhammer 1 and 2 factions.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by Karol:

There should be a heal cap, before the update there was a bug that increased heal cap by 1000% so I don't know how can it happen now.

I played Kislev twice and each time I was invading chaos wastes on turn 60 with empire and mountains secured. AI allies do struggle and had to save them but after that it just snowballs. If you have a rough start I can see things getting out of controll, but still, your units are op, you can easily beat anything comming at you once you get like 10 streltsy and some tzar guard for egzample.

Effects increased the cap by too much, the regenspeed wasn't affected. Even 1 unit basic HE archers can outdps the regen or combined regens of most units and lords.



OP, why are you even getting tons of shadow warriors? They are okish skirmishers, but there's little reason to recruit them over regular archers unless you're kiting low armored and best shieldless units. They got less ammo and hit worse, ontop of dealing only a tiny bit more dmg due to the amout of models yet they cost almost twice as much.

Both got the same issues with WoC and valkia. They suck vs armor and shields, the 3 ap per shot of shadow warriors makes sure you got to face that 100 armor which kills your dmg, just as shields do.

If you want to shoot them dead, you got to make sure that you either lower their armor (magic) and shoot their rears or use sisters for their ap dmg.
If you haven't got the dlc, it will be a though one if you can't route her from army losses. A melee lord or two (or heroes) covered by silverin guards is probably your best choice.

It smells like the classic issue of brining the wrong tool.

Idk what you were doing in tww2 as Ikit if the empire got big. They're pushovers for Ikits overbuffed weaponteams and far too close to ever getting a chance to get big.

[Isaac]

so, you are shooting mostly non-AP arrows against a lord who is very small, very fast, has high armor, a silver shield, and can make herself invulnerable for a few moment. and you are surpriced that she takes little damage?
valkia is probably the only lord you don't want to fokusfire down ,because it is a wasdte of ammo. In general, your army does not sound like something that should go against a Khorne army, let alone one led by valkia herself.

[Hex]

"my no-brain no-skill stack doesn't work, game is bad"

None of you people would survive 10 turns in a historical TW game.

[jonoliveira12]

People constantly say she is the weakest WoC leader, so go figure.

As for your question, yes, Valkia is supposed to be so hard to take down, you do not focus on her and instead win by killing her army.
She is Khorne's wife, and Khorne is the god of War, so she can take a huge amount of punishment, and bait you, which you are not supposed to fall for.

Valkia is always trouble. She is supposed to bait you, and you are supposed to be able to divide your attention and resources between her and her army.
Focus to much on either, and die to the other. This is on purpose, and a good characterization of Valkia.

[Valyus]

There truly is no downside to Valkia and that's why I hate her. You have to magic her to death. I can handle the armies easily but when it just comes to her, I hate it. If someone here knows of ANY downsides to Valkia, let me know because she can tank, deal damage, flies, ignores arrows, has a small unit size. She's a very overloaded lord.

[Ashley]

Originally posted by Hex:

"my no-brain no-skill stack doesn't work, game is bad"

None of you people would survive 10 turns in a historical TW game.

You're right I wouldn't. I wanted to gouge my eyes out after 5 turns of playing historical because spearmen vs spearmen is boring. I can't imagine what'd i'd do to myself if I forced myself to play 10 turns of that snoozefest.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Hanz Bloodletter:

For instance, I play Kislev? I'm so outnumbered that it's a slog. I play Reikland? Easy enough at the start. But, fighting Vlad? Outnumbered while dealing with an annoying slog. Oh, and have fun dealing with Festus. Bretonia? Have fun dealing with vampires, greenskins, Belakor, Festus and maybe N'Kari if he feels like he should deign to "bless" you with his presence. Your allies? In the fetal position, and crying for mercy while you're holding off every enemy faction out there.

truly...they just take it whichever way it comes with no help at all

[Goldtooth™]

Originally posted by Hanz Bloodletter:

So, I fought valkia. And, three armies against her were set as a valiant defeat in the auto resolve. Ten units of shadow warriors shooting her couldn't take her out. She regened faster than they could shoot her. And, I just couldn't deal with it. She kept regenerating, and basically solo'd my whole army as her troops were minimal. Is this normal for this character or is there a bug? Because if this is normal, that needs to be fixed. Three armies should NOT lose to a force that only has melee infantry, two cav units, a melee lord, and two melee heroes. It just seems a little much to me.

When that "melee lord" is a legendary lord and capable of destroying more than 3 armies, no it isn't too much, Late game some lords are meant to be monstrously strong. Maybe take less ranged and add a couple of monsters or duelist heroes, utilise debuff magic or net spells.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by Valyus:

There truly is no downside to Valkia and that's why I hate her. You have to magic her to death. I can handle the armies easily but when it just comes to her, I hate it. If someone here knows of ANY downsides to Valkia, let me know because she can tank, deal damage, flies, ignores arrows, has a small unit size. She's a very overloaded lord.

She's strong, but besides flying (which the ai doesn't use that good) shes "only" a good fighter. At baseline, she's not even the strongest WoC fighter. Sigvald outmatches her in most aspects, besides worse AP ratio and Archaon is just a superior fighter.
Her bronze shield with additional 15% MR is nasty, but sigvald got even a Silver shield, as does Archaon, they also got that 15% MR.
Then there's other beasts, like Malus or Vlad.

[Goldtooth™]

Originally posted by Valyus:

There truly is no downside to Valkia and that's why I hate her. You have to magic her to death. I can handle the armies easily but when it just comes to her, I hate it. If someone here knows of ANY downsides to Valkia, let me know because she can tank, deal damage, flies, ignores arrows, has a small unit size. She's a very overloaded lord.

Yes there is a down side, its using monster / other strong entities + magic to debuff and buff those involved.

[¤ OpN ¤]

Heres a crazy thought, did you try fire? Also kill the army and she will die if you keep enough remaining troops