Vampires extremely op

[Neon Sky]

I've got thousands of hours across all 3 games. The vampires, in 3, are nearly unbeatable. A stack of 19 zombies can demolish virtually anything. It wasn't like this in 2, who decided they should be so strong?

[Commisar Jon Fuklaw]

Oh, hey. A mad cuz bad thread. Haven't seen one of these in at least a few minutes.

[Neon Sky]

Originally posted by Commisar Jon Fuklaw:

Oh, hey. A mad cuz bad thread. Haven't seen one of these in at least a few minutes.

Figured somebody would respond without anything to add.

[Darth Alpharius]

Originally posted by Neon Sky:

I've got thousands of hours across all 3 games. The vampires, in 3, are nearly unbeatable. A stack of 19 zombies can demolish virtually anything. It wasn't like this in 2, who decided they should be so strong?

Kill the general and the rest will fall.

[Psychomeld]

Spells against trash are always great, and ranting that they are op without giving a specific faction vs another faction doesn't really add anything either.

[Archaon The Never-Chosen]

he obviously isn't talking about AI using zombies, the AI can't use zombies, it doesn't know how to manage aura's but if allowed to blob VC def hits way too hard with quite a few units, grave guard and crypt horrors come to mind and even zombies. it's been only 2 days since Enticity(a professional MP player) actually was surprised at how unkillable 2 AI necromancers made the super depleted VC army when at the end of the battle where they had almost nothing left except two crypt horrors and a few zombies and skeletons.

the main thing spamming zombies with a single mortis engine is a disgusting tactic that takes zero effort apart from your time to manual battle everything and you can have stacks like this for days since VC economy is very strong nowadays even early on.

making the argument that VC is too strong nowadays in campaign and even mp is a valid argument, honestly their base mechanics are bit overtuned and ruin parts of their gameplay.
Raise dead alone makes all recruitment building irrelevant making empire management irrelevant. The dead rise again atm does bring back way too many units back its at nearly 70% in high corruption

[IonlyGiveHugs]

have they fixed the bug when you completely eliminate a whole undead army even thier lord . but some how they survive, even reanimating to full stack next turn.

[Archaon The Never-Chosen]

Originally posted by IonlyGiveHugs:

have they fixed the bug when you completely eliminate a whole undead army even thier lord . but some how they survive, even reanimating to full stack next turn.

it's not a bug it's a feature and no

[[Myrm]Fable09]

Originally posted by Neon Sky:

I've got thousands of hours across all 3 games. The vampires, in 3, are nearly unbeatable. A stack of 19 zombies can demolish virtually anything. It wasn't like this in 2, who decided they should be so strong?

You only facing one stack ? I always have 10 - 14 stacks coming to my capital ( at Normal mode)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2873841751

The way to overcome is buying heroes and spell casters , level them up and put 10 of them in your lord's doom stack , with other cavalry unit , it will wipe out 4-5 stacks of vampire counts each battle (you still have to manually control these battles)

[franz]

They were stronger in 2 . Now their economy suck and their AR is worse than ever . Isabella vamp stack cant even kill Thrott trash stack .

[Uugly]

The mortis engine is just a hard counter to WoC.

[Hieronymous]

You have to destroy the brain.

[UnluckyNoob]

VC was strongest game 2 factions.

In game 3 they get:

• Better economy
  
• Stronger units
  
• Free corruption
  
• Cheap buildings (many factions get this bonus) so you get access to necromancer heroes very easily.

In game 3 they lose:

• Free skeletons. But with better economy and stronger zombies that's not a big issue.

After all changes VC are by far the strongest faction of game 3.

[A.Pot]

Really seems like a skill issue if you find 19 zombies a problem to deal with. Have already had several campaigns in game 3 and just like 1 and 2, you really, really need to kill the leaders first so you can stop with the magic spam.

If this is meant to be Vampires are OP when playing as them well I somewhat disagree but then again, every faction can be good when you are competent enough on what to do.

[pin]

Originally posted by UnluckyNoob:

VC was strongest game 2 factions.

In game 3 they get:

• Better economy
  
• Stronger units
  
• Free corruption
  
• Cheap buildings (many factions get this bonus) so you get access to necromancer heroes very easily.

In game 3 they lose:

• Free skeletons. But with better economy and stronger zombies that's not a big issue.

After all changes VC are by far the strongest faction of game 3.

you missed the part when you did a oopsie and lost your army there's a good chance half+ of them auto come back alive for another go on the campaign map lul.

[Aleera]

Originally posted by IonlyGiveHugs:

have they fixed the bug when you completely eliminate a whole undead army even thier lord . but some how they survive, even reanimating to full stack next turn.

Originally posted by pin:

you missed the part when you did a oopsie and lost your army there's a good chance half+ of them auto come back alive for another go on the campaign map lul.

Not a bug. That's been in the game since warhammer 1. Vampire counts have always had "The dead rise again". They only increased the chance for it to happen.

But seriously. Zombies hit like wet noodles and the real damage, the mortis engine, is a huge target. Got arrows? Target it. The AI knows it and will target your squishy slow mortis engines.
Got big monsters? Right click the Mortis engines.
Got big spells that do tons of damage, even the ones without AP? Watch the zombies just burn to a crisp with their low hp and armour.