Could Archaon beat a Primarch?

[John Cena]

Lets say he faces the weakest primarch (Magnus w/ no psychic powers), could he even win?

Could he beat the Emperor or a Custodes or a Squat?

Personally, I think he will lose to all those things except maybe the Squat.

He is basically a Space Marine with some magic so like a Librarian. He lost to Grimgor who is basically a low tier Warboss (cant even take over the planet I mean come on).

No AoS stuff cuz thats lame.

[Ashardalon]

✳Sindri Myr✳ a écrit :

Ashardalon a écrit :

that horus was flawed in many ways
soulless, untrained, basically a simpleton
a hollow simulacra, one of fabius his first attempts he still had a lot to learn

always wondered where this "Horus on Easy" atitude comes from. It is never described as such in a book. He also knows how to use his armour and weapons for example.

its because emps killed horus completely, soul and everything
the soul, a pretty important part of a primarch, the bit he had to deal with chaos to create, was missing

Falaris a écrit :

For further thoughts on the subject, I present to you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qp18fweuc

while hes entertaining, never actually use him for accurate descriptions of lore

[Psychedelic Adventurer]

No. Even Lorgar literally towers over him. And that’s nothing to say of thier physical might.

[🆂🆈🅽🅿🅰🆃🅷🆈]

Eldi a écrit :

Does he get his pony?

You mean his 3 headed dragon that they made a pony right?

[Falaris]

Ashardalon a écrit :

While hes entertaining, never actually use him for accurate descriptions of lore

For this discussion, entertaining is far more important than accurate lore. :)

[Kalder (Totally a Hobb)]

I would like to think he can solo a space marine or even a chapter master, but 40K lore states SM think and move faster than a normal human, despite being 3 times the size, Archeon, on the other hand, is a baseline human, heavily blessed, yeah, but he doesn't have high tech implants or chainswords that, and this is LORE, have "monomolecular edge" so they cut at molecular level, and ceramite armour can stop AT rounds, maybe not on the head, but the chest can probably stop a tank round, maybe in a fist fight he could win, but 40K stuff is just so far off what a normal human can do, best way normal people can compete is take a peek at the Zerg book of strategies and just throw enough numbers at the enemy the same way Elon Musk throws money at SpaceX, and hope the enemy run out of ammo or gets bored.

[TaurusBully]

If people are saying he can, than he could solo this entire setting by himself.

I mean, primarchs are way above custodes, that are above astartes, that are above humans, in a setting with baneblades, stormsurges and terminators suits,

And you are saying some dude in a setting with bows and arrows have a chance against them?

[Falaris]

Kalder's Caffeinated Drink a écrit :

I would like to think he can solo a space marine or even a chapter master, but 40K lore states SM think and move faster than a normal human, despite being 3 times the size, Archeon, on the other hand, is a baseline human, heavily blessed, yeah, but he doesn't have high tech implants or chainswords that, and this is LORE, have "monomolecular edge" so they cut at molecular level, and ceramite armour can stop AT rounds, maybe not on the head, but the chest can probably stop a tank round, maybe in a fist fight he could win, but 40K stuff is just so far off what a normal human can do, best way normal people can compete is take a peek at the Zerg book of strategies and just throw enough numbers at the enemy the same way Elon Musk throws money at SpaceX, and hope the enemy run out of ammo or gets bored.

There's this thing in WH40k that is very important. One thing is how things are described, and then you have the actual game rules.

For instance, that ceramite that can stop tank rounds? Can is a big word. It usually doesn't. One burst with almost any weapon, and there's a good chance you kill that space marine. That 'nearly unkillable superhuman' get killed roughly as easily as a regular human as long as he's not in a bare knuckle fight and someone's using a weapon that is at least decent... and everyone use that.

That Space Marine that is bigger, faster, and stronger than a human? Well,, actually, he walks at the same speed, despite being taller. Gulliman has a speed of 8 compared to a regular guardsman's 6. That's how superhuman fast he is.

There's a big disconnect between the fluff and actual rules.

Now, we know demons use the same stats in both settings. A bloodletter in 40k is (roughly) the same as one in WFB. We can assume the rules scale.

And do you know how Archaeon stacks up to Gulliman rules-wise? Well, the rules are not 1-1 equivalent. You have to handwave and guesstimate a bit; the WFB rules are kind of like the WH40k rules but you've done another level of calculations/abstractions on them, but they obviously have the same base numbers behind them.

And Archaeon is pretty damn good. Unfortunately, the easy stats to find for him - on Wahapedia - his only stats are the AoS stats while on Dhorgar. That's sufficient to see that... Gulliman - the only currently living Primarch - would have a bad day. As far as I can tell he'd kind of lose even without accounting for Archaeon being able to cast two spells per round in addition to fighting normally, and spells are a big deal.

https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/space-marines/Roboute-Guilliman
https://wahapedia.ru/aos3/factions/slaves-to-darkness/Archaon-the-Everchosen

If someone digs up Archaeon's base 8th edition stats, though, great. :)

[G9K_Rubikon]

Falaris a écrit :

Kalder's Caffeinated Drink a écrit :

I would like to think he can solo a space marine or even a chapter master, but 40K lore states SM think and move faster than a normal human, despite being 3 times the size, Archeon, on the other hand, is a baseline human, heavily blessed, yeah, but he doesn't have high tech implants or chainswords that, and this is LORE, have "monomolecular edge" so they cut at molecular level, and ceramite armour can stop AT rounds, maybe not on the head, but the chest can probably stop a tank round, maybe in a fist fight he could win, but 40K stuff is just so far off what a normal human can do, best way normal people can compete is take a peek at the Zerg book of strategies and just throw enough numbers at the enemy the same way Elon Musk throws money at SpaceX, and hope the enemy run out of ammo or gets bored.

There's this thing in WH40k that is very important. One thing is how things are described, and then you have the actual game rules.

For instance, that ceramite that can stop tank rounds? Can is a big word. It usually doesn't. One burst with almost any weapon, and there's a good chance you kill that space marine. That 'nearly unkillable superhuman' get killed roughly as easily as a regular human as long as he's not in a bare knuckle fight and someone's using a weapon that is at least decent... and everyone use that.

That Space Marine that is bigger, faster, and stronger than a human? Well,, actually, he walks at the same speed, despite being taller. Gulliman has a speed of 8 compared to a regular guardsman's 6. That's how superhuman fast he is.

There's a big disconnect between the fluff and actual rules.

Now, we know demons use the same stats in both settings. A bloodletter in 40k is (roughly) the same as one in WFB. We can assume the rules scale.

And do you know how Archaeon stacks up to Gulliman rules-wise? Well, the rules are not 1-1 equivalent. You have to handwave and guesstimate a bit; the WFB rules are kind of like the WH40k rules but you've done another level of calculations/abstractions on them, but they obviously have the same base numbers behind them.

And Archaeon is pretty damn good. Unfortunately, the easy stats to find for him - on Wahapedia - his only stats are the AoS stats while on Dhorgar. That's sufficient to see that... Gulliman - the only currently living Primarch - would have a bad day. As far as I can tell he'd kind of lose even without accounting for Archaeon being able to cast two spells per round in addition to fighting normally, and spells are a big deal.

https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/space-marines/Roboute-Guilliman
https://wahapedia.ru/aos3/factions/slaves-to-darkness/Archaon-the-Everchosen

If someone digs up Archaeon's base 8th edition stats, though, great. :)

Man, you are good.