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John Cena Aug 1, 2022 @ 1:55am
Could Archaon beat a Primarch?
Lets say he faces the weakest primarch (Magnus w/ no psychic powers), could he even win?

Could he beat the Emperor or a Custodes or a Squat?

Personally, I think he will lose to all those things except maybe the Squat.

He is basically a Space Marine with some magic so like a Librarian. He lost to Grimgor who is basically a low tier Warboss (cant even take over the planet I mean come on).

No AoS stuff cuz thats lame.
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Originally posted by Falaris:
Originally posted by Kalder's Caffeinated Drink:
I would like to think he can solo a space marine or even a chapter master, but 40K lore states SM think and move faster than a normal human, despite being 3 times the size, Archeon, on the other hand, is a baseline human, heavily blessed, yeah, but he doesn't have high tech implants or chainswords that, and this is LORE, have "monomolecular edge" so they cut at molecular level, and ceramite armour can stop AT rounds, maybe not on the head, but the chest can probably stop a tank round, maybe in a fist fight he could win, but 40K stuff is just so far off what a normal human can do, best way normal people can compete is take a peek at the Zerg book of strategies and just throw enough numbers at the enemy the same way Elon Musk throws money at SpaceX, and hope the enemy run out of ammo or gets bored.

There's this thing in WH40k that is very important. One thing is how things are described, and then you have the actual game rules.

For instance, that ceramite that can stop tank rounds? Can is a big word. It usually doesn't. One burst with almost any weapon, and there's a good chance you kill that space marine. That 'nearly unkillable superhuman' get killed roughly as easily as a regular human as long as he's not in a bare knuckle fight and someone's using a weapon that is at least decent... and everyone use that.

That Space Marine that is bigger, faster, and stronger than a human? Well,, actually, he walks at the same speed, despite being taller. Gulliman has a speed of 8 compared to a regular guardsman's 6. That's how superhuman fast he is.

There's a big disconnect between the fluff and actual rules.

Now, we know demons use the same stats in both settings. A bloodletter in 40k is (roughly) the same as one in WFB. We can assume the rules scale.

And do you know how Archaeon stacks up to Gulliman rules-wise? Well, the rules are not 1-1 equivalent. You have to handwave and guesstimate a bit; the WFB rules are kind of like the WH40k rules but you've done another level of calculations/abstractions on them, but they obviously have the same base numbers behind them.

And Archaeon is pretty damn good. Unfortunately, the easy stats to find for him - on Wahapedia - his only stats are the AoS stats while on Dhorgar. That's sufficient to see that... Gulliman - the only currently living Primarch - would have a bad day. As far as I can tell he'd kind of lose even without accounting for Archaeon being able to cast two spells per round in addition to fighting normally, and spells are a big deal.

https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/space-marines/Roboute-Guilliman
https://wahapedia.ru/aos3/factions/slaves-to-darkness/Archaon-the-Everchosen

If someone digs up Archaeon's base 8th edition stats, though, great. :)
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Eldi Aug 1, 2022 @ 2:21am 
Does he get his pony?
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John Cena Aug 1, 2022 @ 2:26am 
Originally posted by Eldi:
Does he get his pony?

no they are fighting on foot with their war gear with no firearms.
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Solarfried Aug 1, 2022 @ 2:31am 
Archaon was able to choke an Bloodthirster with his own Whip and in ET he fought versus multiple Incarnations of the magic Winds, with Grimgor as the Incarnation of the Wind of Beasts and Grimgor lost his Head in this Fight, so i would say Archaon could beat some Custodes...
With Primarchs, you mean only her human Forms or the Demon Primarchs too?
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Alby Aug 1, 2022 @ 2:33am 
Archaon could beat anyone. if he got that specific magic thing, the lore armor.
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Witski Aug 1, 2022 @ 2:41am 
Originally posted by Alby:
Archaon could beat anyone. if he got that specific magic thing, the lore armor.
he was super strong without those as well,sooo
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Central Aug 1, 2022 @ 2:52am 
its a character in a GW universe, he can beat anyone whenever they feel like writing a story about it. ofc none of it will matter since they will retcon it in the next story anyway.
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G9K_Rubikon Aug 1, 2022 @ 3:23am 
There are no weak Primarchs, actually. Even "weakest" one, Lorgar, he is the weakest among human gods, of Primarchs, making him unstoppable for anyone actually, in 1vs1.

But Archaon... Well, he is kinda immortal, and his magic/psychic powers are off limits.
If we take Lorgar, in his power armor and Illuminarum sceptre, and Archaon with all his unique items... I guess, Archon wins always.

He simply has too much power with all his equipment, chosen of all chaos gods, having living demon enchanted in his sword, its too much for Lorgar.

But on the other hand, if Archaon fights Sanguinius or Vulkan or Russ or Magnus or many others, Primarch will win.
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Garatgh Deloi Aug 1, 2022 @ 4:01am 
Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:
Lets say he faces the weakest primarch (Magnus w/ no psychic powers), could he even win?

Magnus without his powers is like saying Russ without his limbs.

In this context i'd argue that Lorgar might be the weakest one. Great at certain things, but not much of a duelist when compared to other primarchs.

That said, not sure who would win in a straight up fight. Archeon is chaos blessed out the wazoo, but he is also a normal human. While Lorgar is a primarch.

Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:
Could he beat the Emperor or a Custodes or a Squat?

He would likely not beat the Emperor, Horrus was basically a primarch that went everchosen (blessed by all the gods) and he didn't win (even if it was close and in part thanks to Sanguines sacrifice). A normal human that went everchosen should logically be much weaker.

Custodes, yea i can see that happening, that said i'm not sure even a Custodes would be a easy fight for Archeon. A squat, most definitely its basically just a space Dwarf.
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John Cena Aug 1, 2022 @ 5:00am 
Originally posted by Arachne:
There are no weak Primarchs, actually. Even "weakest" one, Lorgar, he is the weakest among human gods, of Primarchs, making him unstoppable for anyone actually, in 1vs1.

But Archaon... Well, he is kinda immortal, and his magic/psychic powers are off limits.
If we take Lorgar, in his power armor and Illuminarum sceptre, and Archaon with all his unique items... I guess, Archon wins always.

He simply has too much power with all his equipment, chosen of all chaos gods, having living demon enchanted in his sword, its too much for Lorgar.

But on the other hand, if Archaon fights Sanguinius or Vulkan or Russ or Magnus or many others, Primarch will win.

i dont think his gear helps him much.

the armor he wears was the one a previous everchosen wore and lost to sigmar in. archaon also beat the spirit of the previous everchosen in that armor.

the eye thing doesnt work because he lost to grimgor.

he doesn't get his pony.

his sword is cool.

the crown is a viking hat.

how does that help him?
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Mörkö Aug 1, 2022 @ 5:09am 
No. He isn't even the strongest in his own setting, but a uniting chad like mister Franz Karl.
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Ashardalon Aug 1, 2022 @ 5:22am 
what even is magnus without his powers
his body is magic
so he would be nonexistant without magic, if he gets to keep his body, at what size
he could be skyscraper and while archeon would put a nasty demonsword splinter in his toe he would get crushed
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Witski Aug 1, 2022 @ 5:58am 
Originally posted by Morkoth:
No. He isn't even the strongest in his own setting, but a uniting chad like mister Franz Karl.
Who is the strongest in fantasy???
I bet Repanse The Waifu Of Lyonesse.
Last edited by Witski; Aug 1, 2022 @ 5:59am
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G9K_Rubikon Aug 1, 2022 @ 6:28am 
Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:
Originally posted by Arachne:
There are no weak Primarchs, actually. Even "weakest" one, Lorgar, he is the weakest among human gods, of Primarchs, making him unstoppable for anyone actually, in 1vs1.

But Archaon... Well, he is kinda immortal, and his magic/psychic powers are off limits.
If we take Lorgar, in his power armor and Illuminarum sceptre, and Archaon with all his unique items... I guess, Archon wins always.

He simply has too much power with all his equipment, chosen of all chaos gods, having living demon enchanted in his sword, its too much for Lorgar.

But on the other hand, if Archaon fights Sanguinius or Vulkan or Russ or Magnus or many others, Primarch will win.

i dont think his gear helps him much.

the armor he wears was the one a previous everchosen wore and lost to sigmar in. archaon also beat the spirit of the previous everchosen in that armor.

the eye thing doesnt work because he lost to grimgor.

he doesn't get his pony.

his sword is cool.

the crown is a viking hat.

how does that help him?

Remember that Archaon is extremely impressive even without those items. And previous Everchosen wasnt even close in power to Archaon, none of them was actually. This armor improves Archaon might, but is not any source of his power.

He lost to Grimgor after a hellish fight with Valten, if I remember correctly. True, his third eye didn't warn him from Grimgor, but Archaon didnt lose to him. He attacked him by surprise, when Archaon was tired after a fight. Thats not a loss, especially, when Grimgor didnt decide to finish him off, and preffered to run off.

Archaon eq are light years ahead of Lorgar's. Fresh Archaon decimates Lorgar.
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Ashardalon Aug 1, 2022 @ 6:39am 
lorgar when? pre or post learning to speak to the warp
also think your underestimating primarchs
archeon is good for a once mortal but would he even be able to track a primarchs movements
those make wytch elves look like toddlers flailing about
and what would he really do with that sword, does a sword do more then a warhound titans plasmagun?
Last edited by Ashardalon; Aug 1, 2022 @ 6:40am
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Falaris Aug 1, 2022 @ 6:44am 
The only thing you need to know is, does he have a name? If yes, he can beat anyone. That's how Warhammer 40k rolls. Can a Guardsman kill a demon Pirimarch? Their stats says, nuh-uh, but if the Guardsman's suddenly Kurt, that Primarch's done for.
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