Large armies campaign (40 unit)

[spruss929]

I cant be the only one that wants this. Idk if its possible without major rebalancing but it would be nice and probably more fun.

[Velber]

Originally posted by voces junior:

I want it also, i hope editsf or saveparser update and can edit the saves like warhammer 2. I really enjoyed using 40 units army.

And one question, anyone know something about the assembly kit for warhammer 3?

All I know is it’s supposed to be coming either with or right after immortal empires

[Queco Jones21]

One way to go about it is to inagine that 1 soldier/model in a regiment represents 1000 soldiers or something. Much like how actual generals used models to simulate battles on table and plan out their moves.

Sadly, we just do not have an engine that can have hundreds of thousands of soldiers in actual battle. Closet we can get is that simulator game (the second one), but all the battles just consist of one side charging the other. No tactics per say.

[Kalon]

Just use two armies

[Kalon]

Originally posted by Ming:

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Name one battle that consisted of "millions of soldiers"? Note, not a war overall, not a series of battles along a warfront, not a siege that lasted years, just a single battle.

Battle of Rzhev
August 5th, 1942

5 million soldiers roughly with 3 million casualties.

That lasted over a year. If we want the single largest battle I guess thats the Battle of Marne in 1914 between the german and french. Lasted 4 days with about a million troops on each side. Or maybe even the battle of Kursk instead in 1943, which had about 3 million participants.

and none of those are single battles...they were operations that lasted weeks. Battle of Marne was 7 days. The largest single day battle was Borodino in 1812, when about 150,000 of the Tsars men tried to block Napoleons army.

[voces junior]

Originally posted by Kalon:

Just use two armies

Its not the same, with two armies you have to wait the second army reinforcement.

[Humble]

Originally posted by Kalon:

Just use two armies

I guess that is very reason why OP might ask, better had one army with 40 rather than 2 with 20, less work and easier to work with, This is mostly useful for spam low units sure as vampire count in warhammer 2

[Kalon]

Originally posted by voces junior:

Originally posted by Kalon:

Just use two armies

Its not the same, with two armies you have to wait the second army reinforcement.

So OP wants a big army but doesn't want the "hassle" that comes with coordinating a big army? Also, you can take lightning strike and wait as little as a minute for your reinforcements to show up. Thats too much? Lol the sense of entitlement with some people...

[Ultimate_L0ser]

https://sourceforge.net/projects/saveparser/

Don't thank me.

Used it for 10 unit campaigns - works even with garrisons.

Only exception - quest battles, but its workable

[Velber]

Originally posted by PL-804:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/saveparser/

Don't thank me.

Used it for 10 unit campaigns - works even with garrisons.

Only exception - quest battles, but its workable

Pretty sure saveparser wont work on warhammer 3 last i checked since it needs to be updated

[dinovart]

I`m not sure how it works but maybe modders can use "waahg" mechanic scripts to apply it in campaign, too (second army attached to player army). Of course, after IE release.

[Yard]

there is a mod that is easy to use at least in warhammer 2 that does exactly what you are looking for, now to balance it I use reduced upkeep by up to 20% so you can have an army of 40 units for each controlled region and the AI too, you have pitched battles and you really feel the difficulty of obtaining new regions, I also recommend increasing the amount of garrison in the settlements with another mod, this way you maintain a stable balance, this is how I play in wh2 ME and there is no imbalancethat's how I play in wh2 ME and there is no imbalance, even though I recommend only 30 units instead of 40, it becomes too chaotic to control many units

[Lady MacBeth]

Originally posted by Yard:

there is a mod that is easy to use at least in warhammer 2 that does exactly what you are looking for, now to balance it I use reduced upkeep by up to 20% so you can have an army of 40 units for each controlled region and the AI too, you have pitched battles and you really feel the difficulty of obtaining new regions, I also recommend increasing the amount of garrison in the settlements with another mod, this way you maintain a stable balance, this is how I play in wh2 ME and there is no imbalancethat's how I play in wh2 ME and there is no imbalance, even though I recommend only 30 units instead of 40, it becomes too chaotic to control many units

That mod can't exist till we have the assembly kit. Thats how that mod was made. Hopefully they release it shortly after immortal empires.

[Greldinart]

bad idea to generalise it.
*you need to rework the economy for support 40unit army,
*it unbalance missile army who could snipe expensive unit. and toptier melee unit too
*you need to rise limit to 80unit by side if its 40unit maximum, because you cant represent a superiority on map 2armies vs 1 if you limit at 40v40...or rather it allow you only 20 at same time in this case..but that will break your formation. and by the way game not allow it , but its still possible to have many model with custom battle.
*that wont promise you fair battle, imagine a 40 ork army +another whaag army..can you deal with it?..and what about ambush ?
*city fight will be a burden to move 40unit in tiny streets, and they need to boost garnison too
yet if you want massive battle go for legendary, use the ambush stance too, i promise you the ia will sent you numerous stack with love.

[Ashtaroth The Defiler]

Been searching for a mod that does this, so i agree, though would be cool if it was a in game settings feature, where it is 20-25-30-35-40 check box setting.

[flupo42]

I played most of my time in Warhammer 2 using 40 unit stacks. Played 6 campaigns to the point where I painted over half the world with 40 unit stacks.

No need to change economy, no need to rebalance units. Only balancing change i added to my game was to (a) beef up garrisons by about 1x + was using Dynamic Garrisons so overall they were about 2x stronger than vanilla
(b) reduced replenishment to make economic impact of battles and casualties greater. I prefer games where I have to combine hurt units and recruit new ones rather than just skip a turn with my army and have all my units get fully replenished. Vanilla replenishment rate is ridiculously high.

Overall, the reason I preferred to play this way is that it vastly improves the game.

1. Sieges work MUCH better. When the AI actually has enough units to distribute around the map, it can put up a decent fight.

2. Tactical battles overall play better and battles begin to transcend tactics into strategy. This particularly comes into play when I was clashing multiple stacks (ie 2 of my 40unit stacks vs 4 AI 40 unit stacks). Only with 40 units did I have battles where I would need to pull back, regroup and rest multiple times through the fight. Where skirmishing to delay part of the enemy army from hitting my ranks became critical. Where cheesing fights by just bringing lots of ranged became non-viable, where magic runs out, regen runs out. In short all the cheese IWIN buttons from vanilla become far less impactful.

3. There is no doomstacking. Lower tier units are important and viable because you need bodies on the field and you can't afford to put 40 elite units into each stack. If you try, you will be neglecting some sides of your empire and you will just get overrun in those weakened places.

I am playing wh3 right now. New factions are nice, but 20 unit armies make this game so, so much worse its ridiculous.

PS. (no, the game doesn't require higher specs. 40 unit armies don't actually increase the number of units on the field in most cases. besides Warhammer has always put the biggest strain on hardware when you are looking at the map. Anyone who tracks GPU temps can see it right now - when you stare at the campaign map, temp goes up. When you load into battle, temp goes down. The difference on my machine is 20+ degrees.