WH3 IE - Roleplay/play tall/defensive campaign possibilities

[Wolf]

May be an odd request (or not if others have done so in previous titles) but for WH3 IE I really want to do some sort of a roleplay/play tall/defensive campaign (and NOT simply paint the map with my banner faction). I have wanted to do something like this since Rome 2 with Rhodes but never got around to it/never thought there would be enough content to roleplay/manage just a few regions. Sure I will do a "normal" style conquer-all/total war campaign too but I think this roleplay style may be more of a possibility to do so with how large in scale IE is and without being overly bored/spamming end turn (which is what I think would happen). Especially with CA trying to implement mid/end game crises, you would maybe be active with gathering armies for wars far from your home. Dwarfs with their mountains-holdings, skaven with their undercities, Tomb Kings with their desert, Cathay defending the wall, Wood Elfs with their forests, and maybe lizardmen in their deep jungles would be interesting for this. Thoughts? Interests?

[Zeek]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zane87:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cernodan:

Cope and seethe nerds, lmao

Either masterful trolling or it's rather you who desperately tries to cope.
*Shrug* not that anyone really cares, you do you.

His mom probably caught him playing dress up as his favorite anime character again so he had to come on this forum and project his insecurity on to others.

[Zeek]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cernodan:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zeek:

His mom probably caught him playing dress up as his favorite anime character again so he had to come on this forum and project his insecurity on to others.

Brave words from someone with an avatar from Power Puff Girls's cross-dresser character.
Jesus Christ, the jokes write themselves, lmao!
* chef kiss *

Bro it's ok now. It's 2022, no reason to be a ashamed of whatever fetish you have.

If you wanna dress up like Sailor moon and pretend to throw energy balls out of your hand that's just fine. Don't let your mom shame you of who you are.

Liking anime is nothing to be ashamed of today :)

[Bomjus]

i don't understand the question. are you asking us what faction would be best for this playstyle? or are you asking if this would be possible? or are you asking does this sound like good RP?

imo the best faction to do this with would be greasus. you can put 1 camp in each region in a province. each camp can earn ~1200 gold IIRC. so with 2500 passive income, 4 camps, and 4 settlements, you'd be earning somewhere around 10k gold. this is enough to build two armies with some leftover cash. you can recruit a third army and put that third army inside a camp to reduce it's upkeep costs. then take the army out of the camp anytime your single province is threatened. the other two armies can leave your home province and roam around, sacking and gifting settlements to allies. greasus gets an extra camp compared to skragg so you can get your camp economy going sooner without waiting too long for technology. greasus also has a massive boost to sacking income. making him the ideal "leave home to get money" lord.

[cernodan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zeek:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cernodan:

Brave words from someone with an avatar from Power Puff Girls's cross-dresser character.
Jesus Christ, the jokes write themselves, lmao!
* chef kiss *

Bro it's ok now. It's 2022, no reason to be a ashamed of whatever fetish you have.

If you wanna dress up like Sailor moon and pretend to throw energy balls out of your hand that's just fine. Don't let your mom shame you of who you are.

Liking anime is nothing to be ashamed of today :)

Mirror, mirror, on the wall
Who's projecting best of all
Roses are red, violets are blue
Zeek's the poof you're looking into

[Zeek]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cernodan:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zeek:

Bro it's ok now. It's 2022, no reason to be a ashamed of whatever fetish you have.

If you wanna dress up like Sailor moon and pretend to throw energy balls out of your hand that's just fine. Don't let your mom shame you of who you are.

Liking anime is nothing to be ashamed of today :)

Mirror, mirror, on the wall
Who's projecting best of all
Roses are red, violets are blue
Zeek's the poof you're looking into

This makes zero sense.

I'm curious as to how and what you think I'm projecting?

[Psychedelic Adventurer]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cernodan:

Some inane dribble

Kid's literally starving for them Steam clown award points.

Edit: Looking at his profile and posts, he seems to have only just joined Steam. Kid's probably quite young - just acting out.

[SomeGuy1]

also, OP, have you looked at the actual victory conditions in mortal empires? I'm looking at Karaz-a-Karak for example...
Victory Conditions


Short Campaign Victory

Ensure that the total severity of grudges in the Great Book of Grudges is no greater than 9.
Unite the following Dwarfholds either by direct ownership or through vassals and military allies:

Karaz-a-Karak Barak Varr Varenka Hills Dringorackaz Kradtommen Misty Mountain Karak Azul Spitepeak Karak Hirn Mighdal Vongalbarak
Karak Izor Karak Kadrin Karak Norn Fester Spike Karak Ziflin Blackstone Post Karag Dromar Cragmere Zhufbar

Control any 8 of the following settlements either by direct ownership or through vassals and military allies:

Couronne Altdorf Castle Drakenhof The Oak of Ages Miragliano Skavenblight Kislev Hell Pit Karaz-a-Karak Karak Eight Peaks Black Crag
Lahmia Khemri Itza Hexoatl Naggarond Lothern Gaen Vale The Awakening The Galleon's Graveyard Sartosa

Continue to expand your territory, ready for the arrival of Archaon the Everchosen.
Ensure that Archaon the Everchosen is in a wounded state.


The only part of this that isn't "staying in your mountains and holding them" is the one about "control eight faction capitals". All those settlements in the first bracket you need to keep? Buddy, dwarfs consider even a single lost Karak a grudgin'. If you haven't reclaimed them all, you aren't done. It's not asking you to paint the whole map. Also note the provision that military allies count. Building lorefully "tall" for dwarves will include controlling Karaz-A-Karak, Karak Eight Peaks, and Black Crag. And then you ally with Reikland and probably Eatine and Couronne and they'll take the others to trigger the win.

[Puggly the Grey]

I understand what you mean OP, this is yet another thing that I want to do using Hotseat mode.

[Old Dirty Bingo Caller]

Lucky for cernodan, he has a library of games only cool, un-nerdy people would play, face it people, he's untouchable....

[Zeek]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Old Dirty Bingo Caller:

Lucky for cernodan, he has a library of games only cool, un-nerdy people would play, face it people, he's untouchable....

He's also got a dark and edgy masked-man profile picture which further indicates how totally un-nerdy and cool he is. Man I wish I was this hip.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Psychedelic Adventurer:

Kid's literally starving for them Steam clown award points.

Edit: Looking at his profile and posts, he seems to have only just joined Steam. Kid's probably quite young - just acting out.

He's simply too cool for us total war warhammer video game nerds. He needs to flex his coolness on us by buying said nerd video game and posting on the nerd forums for it.

[Wolf]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bomjus1:

i don't understand the question. are you asking us what faction would be best for this playstyle? or are you asking if this would be possible? or are you asking does this sound like good RP?

imo the best faction to do this with would be greasus. you can put 1 camp in each region in a province. each camp can earn ~1200 gold IIRC. so with 2500 passive income, 4 camps, and 4 settlements, you'd be earning somewhere around 10k gold. this is enough to build two armies with some leftover cash. you can recruit a third army and put that third army inside a camp to reduce it's upkeep costs. then take the army out of the camp anytime your single province is threatened. the other two armies can leave your home province and roam around, sacking and gifting settlements to allies. greasus gets an extra camp compared to skragg so you can get your camp economy going sooner without waiting too long for technology. greasus also has a massive boost to sacking income. making him the ideal "leave home to get money" lord.

Yes basically, can I have fun (and not get bored) playing this way and which faction would best suit this kind of playstyle (I want options too since I won't play Ogres/Dwarves just bc of this). I never played Wood Elves and they seem to be be a good candidate for this.

Also I think this would be fun enough to try at least once in IE mostly because of these two scenarios key points from Immortal Empires:

"New dynamic end-game scenarios: randomised mid- to late-game challenges we’re introducing to challenge the late-game steamroll—where the player is so powerful that there’s little-to-no challenge left and less of a reason to complete the campaign. Think Greenskin invasions or resurgences of the undead, as a few examples…"

"Revamped victory conditions. Most players don’t end up finishing campaigns, and we want to give them better reasons—and a greater level of satisfaction—for doing so. As such, we’ve simplified the victory requirements into more meaningful objectives while avoiding any arbitrary playstyle requirements."

I'm not against playing the traditional, wide/conquer all playstyle but damn that's all I ever do and wanted to try something different and I think with IE we may be closer to do this ever before.

[SomeGuy1]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TonyDragon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bomjus1:

i don't understand the question. are you asking us what faction would be best for this playstyle? or are you asking if this would be possible? or are you asking does this sound like good RP?

imo the best faction to do this with would be greasus. you can put 1 camp in each region in a province. each camp can earn ~1200 gold IIRC. so with 2500 passive income, 4 camps, and 4 settlements, you'd be earning somewhere around 10k gold. this is enough to build two armies with some leftover cash. you can recruit a third army and put that third army inside a camp to reduce it's upkeep costs. then take the army out of the camp anytime your single province is threatened. the other two armies can leave your home province and roam around, sacking and gifting settlements to allies. greasus gets an extra camp compared to skragg so you can get your camp economy going sooner without waiting too long for technology. greasus also has a massive boost to sacking income. making him the ideal "leave home to get money" lord.

Yes basically, can I have fun (and not get bored) playing this way and which faction would best suit this kind of playstyle (I want options too since I won't play Ogres/Dwarves just bc of this). I never played Wood Elves and they seem to be be a good candidate for this.

Also I think this would be fun enough to try at least once in IE mostly because of these two scenarios key points from Immortal Empires:

"New dynamic end-game scenarios: randomised mid- to late-game challenges we’re introducing to challenge the late-game steamroll—where the player is so powerful that there’s little-to-no challenge left and less of a reason to complete the campaign. Think Greenskin invasions or resurgences of the undead, as a few examples…"

"Revamped victory conditions. Most players don’t end up finishing campaigns, and we want to give them better reasons—and a greater level of satisfaction—for doing so. As such, we’ve simplified the victory requirements into more meaningful objectives while avoiding any arbitrary playstyle requirements."

I'm not against playing the traditional, wide/conquer all playstyle but damn that's all I ever do and wanted to try something different and I think with IE we may be closer to do this ever before.

Wood Elves, and to a lesser extent Vampire Coast, are the factions for you. WE only care about a few specific settlements around the map and keeping them safe. VCoast are incentivized to raid other faction's ports but not conquer them (well, they can go that route instead but it's a choice).

[cernodan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Psychedelic Adventurer:

* boomer cope *

That's right Methuselah, the dawn of the zoomer is upon you. Go be decrepit somewhere else, no cap, fr fr.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Old Dirty Bingo Caller:

Lucky for cernodan, he has a library of games only cool, un-nerdy people would play, face it people, he's untouchable....

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zeek:

He's also got a dark and edgy masked-man profile picture which further indicates how totally un-nerdy and cool he is. Man I wish I was this hip.

He's simply too cool for us total war warhammer video game nerds. He needs to flex his coolness on us by buying said nerd video game and posting on the nerd forums for it.

It's ok my nerdy friends, if you're nice, I'll even let you kiss my toes

[res judicator]

My own two cents:
My understanding from reading OP's post is that he's looking to mostly stick to his lore-friendly borders (i.e. building tall instead of expanding), and playing in whatever lore-appropriate way his faction would behave.

Based on that, I think the vanilla TW3 campaign is probably the ideal. You don't need to dominate the map to win, and the game doesn't even encourage that gameplay. If anything, for some factions (e.g. Cathay), it's optimal to just stick to your lore-friendly borders (confederating the rebellion / indy factions). If it's too easy, up the campaign difficulty so you're dealing with more insurrection and hostility from other factions.

I believe there's also a mod that adds some lore-friendly events, which is available on the workshop.

[chickabumpbump]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cernodan:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Psychedelic Adventurer:

* boomer cope *

That's right Methuselah, the dawn of the zoomer is upon you. Go be decrepit somewhere else, no cap, fr fr.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Old Dirty Bingo Caller:

Lucky for cernodan, he has a library of games only cool, un-nerdy people would play, face it people, he's untouchable....

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zeek:

He's also got a dark and edgy masked-man profile picture which further indicates how totally un-nerdy and cool he is. Man I wish I was this hip.

He's simply too cool for us total war warhammer video game nerds. He needs to flex his coolness on us by buying said nerd video game and posting on the nerd forums for it.

It's ok my nerdy friends, if you're nice, I'll even let you kiss my toes :crtlightning:

You spent 1600 hours in a game and then reviewed it down for ads hahahahahahahahaha what a little wuss