why is imperium so cool, but the empire so boring and generic?

[D-Black Catto]

what went wrong/right, warhammer?

over my entire gameplay in warhammer fantasy games, I never, ever, played the empire. While Imperial Guard is my favorite faction in 40k.

[BIG E.]

They are not the same thing. Not supposed to be same.

[Necropants]

They don't do anything for me, but I'd hardly call them boring considering they are probably one of the most popular factions.

[MattStriker]

Początkowo opublikowane przez PoopFeast420:

the imperium is dumb as hell, just like most everything in 40k. The Empire is much more grounded and likable and feels like an actual place instead of a total caricature

This. The Imperium is satire that lost its point decades ago when it started taking itself seriously.

The Empire (and the WHF world in general) is a gritty, brutal but overall functional setting with some actual thought put into it beyond "haha grimdark lol".

[Ashardalon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez MattStriker:

Początkowo opublikowane przez PoopFeast420:

the imperium is dumb as hell, just like most everything in 40k. The Empire is much more grounded and likable and feels like an actual place instead of a total caricature

This. The Imperium is satire that lost its point decades ago when it started taking itself seriously.

The Empire (and the WHF world in general) is a gritty, brutal but overall functional setting with some actual thought put into it beyond "haha grimdark lol".

shows how little you know about 40k
until they needed to sell more marines 10 years ago everything in 40k was well thought out and considered
in fantasy you dont even know where gork and mork are

[Toblm]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ikko:

Empire is a game 1 race and it shows. Their roster hasn't gotten an overhaul since, I think ever. Sad for one of the game's most-played factions

The Empire got reworked during WH2.

[ikko]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Toblm:

Początkowo opublikowane przez ikko:

Empire is a game 1 race and it shows. Their roster hasn't gotten an overhaul since, I think ever. Sad for one of the game's most-played factions

The Empire got reworked during WH2.

Not the roster

[SpaceGoatMage]

Początkowo opublikowane przez BIG E.:

They are not the same thing. Not supposed to be same.

[GalloglassCA]

One is fantasy Holy Roman Empire, the other are space fascists so not exactly a great endorsement by op.

[dollars202]

The reason warhammer fantasy works at all is because of the empire; without the empire their is no reason for anyone to care, literally none at all. Sure you can look at other humans in the game but you won't relate well to them at all, the chinese peasants are a thing of the past, same with the horse riding bretonians, having the boring and generic empire is what makes this game brilliant, it gives you someone to protect where you can relate, someone to hate, or someone you just want to ignore and leave alone pretending they don't exist. Without that, this game turns into ohhh monsters and fake people who i don't even care about because there is no real world way for me to imagine giving a skavan's ass about em. The empire makes this a believable world where you can see free people trying to etch out an existance in the face of things that are so much bigger than them. That with a little tech involved you too may be able to slay the things that plague you so, that even the biggest problem can be resolved if enough people put down the plows, pick up the sword and go for the solution. We have so many real world problems that seeing that in a fantasy solution humans can solve some problems by banding together and using tech they might be able to hold them off or even solve them is the real attraction of this fantasy world. Warhammer 40k really doesn't pick up on a functioning government in any sort of way like warhammer fantasy empire does, sure the soldiers might be more relatable to todays world but their government sure isn't. It's literally the one man anti-christ rule of a dying wanna be genetic Khan like from star trek. So i guess it comes down to do you like old fashioned weaponry or do you want some futuristic stuff. As for me "Summon the elector counts"

[Ashardalon]

i never understand people who can only relate to humans
why not be a happier person and relate to orks
be a better person and relate to dwarves
or just be a superior person and relate to elves
just dont relate to wood elves

40ks political story is also that after thousands of years humanity still doesnt have a solution to the political problem
so because of limitations of communication and logistics they had to fall back on feudalism while they let each of their fiefdoms use just about every political system imaginable as long as they pay their thites and follow the teachings of the emperor
far more logical and sensible then the idiots that just think spasenazies
40ks most depressing story is that there is no non retarded political system and this struggle will be ethernal
more ethernal then war

[ikko]

There's a reason both Dune and Warhammer assume humanity's future is a fascist society; nobody believes democracy actually works. It doesn't work today, why would it work 40,000 years from now? No leader elected by the dummies who cast a vote is going to be competent enough to run a galactic empire.

[D-Black Catto]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ashardalon:

i never understand people who can only relate to humans

I can relate to humans in warhammer, just not the empire.
There are many cool characters among champions of chaos and former human factions such as undead or those who ascended to deamonhood....kislev, cathay and norsca are all human factions that are much more interesting and varied than the empire. And arguably, elves are the main "protagonist" race of warhammer fantasy, given the colossal influence they and not humans had on the history of warhammer world.

if warhammer fantasy literature focuses too much on human characters, it's because of writer's laziness and inability to exploit the non-generic parts of otherwise generic setting. they go for medieval human faction because it's the safest, most familiar territory that they can go wild with

[Kameh]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ikko:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Toblm:

The Empire got reworked during WH2.

Not the roster

Why would there be?

Edit: Ahh, you're an actual fascist, explains why you are so dumb.

[Klutch]

I think the deal is "empire" seems kinda bland, since EVERY total war game since ever has been humans. The monsters, and the different weird peoples are exciting and new.

[Ashardalon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez D-Black Catto:

if warhammer fantasy literature focuses too much on human characters, it's because of writer's laziness and inability to exploit the non-generic parts of otherwise generic setting. they go for medieval human faction because it's the safest, most familiar territory that they can go wild with

not just warhammer fantasy
40k also suffers from too few xenos books and if they do write about them they horribly mutilate the lore to humanize them
like the arrogant bioweapon in the devastation of baal or the germaphobe necrons in twice dead king
compared mistress baedas gift, faces or the path series that actually write xenos as xenos those books are sadder then yet more human books dumped onto the massive pile