VALIANT DEFEAT AND CLOSE DEFEAT - WHICH IS WORTH FIGHTING?

[Wuu Jew]

So assuming those 2 types of defeat mean something, which is more likely to be a victory if you fight it? Obviously deceive means you will most likely lose regardless. If I choose to fight manually for a valiant or close defeat what are the odds?

[Toblm]

Both.
But valiant should generally be easier.

[fmalfeas]

To even get a valiant, I believe you need to have been seriously overpowered to begin with, but despite that you wrecked their army pretty bad, handing them a Pyrrhic victory.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Valiant is probably the one supposed to be closest, but both are theoretically quite damaging, just that valiant is when you do that when really overmatched.

[¤ OpN ¤]

Well worth it. Ive been out numbered heavily multiple times and won those fights allowing me to keep an army or captial city that was about to be taken

[Wuu Jew]

Yeah I just never knew which one was easier to win. I always fight unless im seriously weak or have a lot of basic bish units.

[Zeek]

Valiant usually means you will win if you put a little effort with some casualties.

Close usually means you'll probably win with effort but will take a good bit more casualties.

[Grubbs008]

If auto says Valiant or Close defeat. I usually fight it and get a Decisive Victory. Auto-scaling for battles is waaay off.

[Inardesco]

I do both, since those defeats are more easily turned to wins.

That said, sometimes the autoresolve says win when you'd surely lose in manual due to enemy lords

[fmalfeas]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

I do both, since those defeats are more easily turned to wins.

That said, sometimes the autoresolve says win when you'd surely lose in manual due to enemy lords

Or occasionally a bunch of units that in theory have bad autoresolve ratings, but you know in practice are the absolute bane of your own forces. Or sometimes they have good AR ratings, you have better, but no means of countering them.

I used to run into that a lot with Marauder Champions early game. Archers, Spears, and Franz aren't enough to deal with a couple units of champions. They're too heavily armored and good at fighting.

[Relent]

It's also worth taking a peek at the battle map before you decide to fight to see if there's any terrain you could use to tip the odds in your favor. Sometimes you can find natural barriers or choke points that will help you diminish the enemy army's effectiveness.

In any case though, I personally always try to fight manually. Unless you're hugely outnumbered, it's usually more beneficial to you to fight and cause as many casualties to the enemy army as possible, even if it does end in defeat. Make it so they either can't advance with their next turn, or if they do, they will most likely lose in the next battle.

[Inardesco]

Battle map preview never loads for me :( so I have to wait for the battle loading

[fmalfeas]

I love when you get a map with a long ridge or cliff that you can use. I like to deploy so that the enemy has to go around it.

The AI will usually clump up really bad while doing that, making them ideal targets for AoE spells and artillery.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Battle map preview never loads for me :( so I have to wait for the battle loading

It sometimes takes really long for me too.

[Bomjus]

play long enough and you just judge your units vs their units combined with the map layout. what type of defeat or victory you get doesn't mater much at that point.

[Pedro]

Valiant Defeat is when you are outnumbered but kill much more enemies than lose own. Description says something like "enemy won but it cost him a lot, field is covered with their corpses"