Boris Ursus

[onix8198]

They need to fix his campaign sadly. I am just running around with Boris desperately trying to keep my settlements and take new ones all throughout the wastes. I can't use another army because income is always low and they all suffer attrition. It is impossible to hold an Empire in the current state and it is just annoying. I love Kislev troops and Boris but they just do not work for his campaign.

[zacharyb]

In IE you can go in the direction of Cathay and take out Vilitch that way you're in a corner, then if you want you can also take over parts of Cathay cause much of it is a good climate for you. Also you can use the Sea Lanes near Cathay to travel to Lustria or Naggaroth.

[King Geedorah]

Nothing to fix, you need to change your strategy. Build a good stack using Tier III buildings in your starting city, go on a rampage like a horde faction. Don't hold onto any territory till you kill you way to the Mountains of Mourn. You should be able to have your faction buffed every turn.

[Inardesco]

Sounds like a player problem, not a Boris problem.

Its a difficult campaign for a reason

[Kamrad]

...they all suffer attrition...
THIS. Boris is immune to the chaos attrition, but your ordinary lords are not.

Also, half of your technology tree is locked without control over Praag, Kislev and Ebengard.
See where these cities are located, and where is Boris's starting location in immortal empires.

The fact that the whole race between the Ice court and the Patriarchy is just crap, it's just icing on the cake.

I like Boris, but his fraction is made very sloppy.

[onix8198]

Originally posted by zacharyb:

In IE you can go in the direction of Cathay and take out Vilitch that way you're in a corner, then if you want you can also take over parts of Cathay cause much of it is a good climate for you. Also you can use the Sea Lanes near Cathay to travel to Lustria or Naggaroth.

I was thinking of restarting and leaving the wastes to take over the lands in Norsca. Staying in the wastes just means I can not hold a single territory. Any idea if that strategy works in your experience?

[onix8198]

Originally posted by Kamrad:

...they all suffer attrition...
THIS. Boris is immune to the chaos attrition, but your ordinary lords are not.

Also, half of your technology tree is locked without control over Praag, Kislev and Ebengard.
See where these cities are located, and where is Boris's starting location in immortal empires.

The fact that the whole race between the Ice court and the Patriarchy is just crap, it's just icing on the cake.

I like Boris, but his fraction is made very sloppy.

See you are the only one who agrees with me so maybe we are wrong. However, the lack of technology and the fact only Boris can fight in the wastes makes for an impossible campaign. I am unable to hold any territory even with walls built because the garrisons are not strong enough. Trying to take more land while also trying to expand with Boris is near impossible even though Boris has great movement range I am just running around non stop. Trying to chase down beastmen is impossible too.

[A.Pot]

Its suppose to be hard though. What I do is head back to Kislev, buddy up with the Roppsmen and wait to confederate with them while sacking and raiding the Goromadny. Soon enough you will have Praag

[onix8198]

Also why doesn't boris get an elemental bear to start with when wintertooth has a dragon by turn 20?

[DarkFenix]

Yeah Boris' campaign is pretty crap. Difficulty isn't a problem, but from his start location to his complete absence of unique campaign mechanics, he just wasn't thought through at all.

He's a tacked on extra, just as lacking in effort or thought as game 1's WoC faction.

[Panfilo]

Suggestion: give his subfaction the ability to have walls in chaos waste settlements.

Because the frustrating thing about Boris is that his bonuses favor map painting strategies but your starting area/main threats are minor settlements that largely cannot build walls. So while Boris is extremely cost effective in building up settlements (free colonization, discounted/accelerated settlement buildings, half price garrison/church buildings) he can't make the most of it in his own backyard.

Another suggestion I'd make is to have his version of the supporter race give his subfaction global buffs if one or the other lord 'wins'.

So if Katarina wins you get bonus Ice Witch/Maiden recruitment, bonus winds, bonus Ice Guard stats, etc.

If Kostaltyn wins you get bonus Patriarch recruitment, patriarch stats, bonuses vs chaos, etc.

In lieu of the milestone buffs you gain additional Atamans when each other lord hits a threshold. The closer the race the more you get and it's essential they both survive, as the extra Atamans will give provinces some great buffs along the way. Maybe also some good dilemmas for the current underdog to try to sway you to their side.

[Cuthalion]

Is there still a research problem in IE same as in Realms of Chaos: He cannot research advanced technologies because he does not own capital cities, and he cannot easily occupy the cities because he is far away and does not have a special confederation mechanics?

[Panfilo]

Yeah it's a big issue. It would be simpler to have those techs accessible if you had simply a military alliance with the faction controlling them or even simpler have them accessible if a Kislev faction controlled them. This would mean Boris would get immediate access to those techs so long as Norsca or chaos don't roll over them too fast.

[Hieronymus]

BORIS URSUS

FOLLOW THE BEAR

[BigRockWall]

I'm confused. Boris is the most entertaining Kislev campaign because you SHOULD be on the offensive the entire time. And at no point in time does any of it need to involve Kislev proper area of the map. Plain old t1 kossar is super overtuned presently, and in the first 30 turns i dont think i fought a single defensive battle, short of one or two bait ambushes.

Edit - and there is sufficient enough technology to research without owning the kislev praag and erengrad. It might "feel bad" to not be able to do the higher tier city dependent tech. But none of is is mandatory tech either. And is offset by having motherland buffs up 100% of the time with no effort

[Budoshi]

go and take praag and surrendings, use katarine as cover and allies. profit.