Finubar, the Phoenix King.

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

Hello reader!

I'm curious about Finubar's absence, both from Total Warhammer but also from the old tabletop games. The Phoenix King is constantly referred to as the most important figure in High Elf culture, and their greatest hero (Anaerion) was the first. We see similar faction-leaders like Karl Franz, Thorgrim, Louen, Malekith, and Orion/Ariel take to the field and being very active people within their respective factions. There is also an active lobby that wants to see Nagash be playable too.

My question then is, why not Finubar? What's the reason for his absence?

[Reverend Belial]

İlk olarak Super Cosmic Space Magnet tarafından gönderildi:

.... I just read on the wiki about what Finubar did during The End Times. Bloody heck. That's... Impressively lame. The writer must've really hated elves lmao

Welcome to the End Times. It's best to pretend that it doesn't exist.

[kamikharzeeh]

İlk olarak Super Cosmic Space Magnet tarafından gönderildi:

.... I just read on the wiki about what Finubar did during The End Times. Bloody heck. That's... Impressively lame. The writer must've really hated elves lmao

end times lore is just badly written. overall. i regret that i read so much into it, but it was like a car accident. u have to look, but it's not an enjoyable act.

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and yeah, i also don't think we need Finubar.

but Caradryn or how his name again was, the captain of the Phoenix guard, and Sea Lord Aislynn would be nice adds for the High Elves i think

[Tiberius Lacedaemon]

Sorry to deviate from the post here, but you guys seem extremely knowledgeable about Warhammer Fantasy.

Is there a website, or something, that can I start reading up on absolutely everything, that isn't the Fandom link with info about specific characters? Every time I'm interested in a character, I look them up and it seems incredible, but I can't find a link to an actual, say, history lesson for the entire Warhammer Fantasy world, or at least for this game's current "timeline", which I do recall it was all over the place.

[Reverend Belial]

İlk olarak Tiberius Lacedaemon tarafından gönderildi:

Sorry to deviate from the post here, but you guys seem extremely knowledgeable about Warhammer Fantasy.

Is there a website, or something, that can I start reading up on absolutely everything, that isn't the Fandom link with info about specific characters? Every time I'm interested in a character, I look them up and it seems incredible, but I can't find a link to an actual, say, history lesson for the entire Warhammer Fantasy world, or at least for this game's current "timeline", which I do recall it was all over the place.

Not as such, no. The best you can get is community stuff, like the various lore channels on Youtube.

Normally this is also where I'd shill my thread over on the game 1 forum, but that might not be the most digestible way to get started at this point.

[GalloglassCA]

Fwiw, we are likely getting Nagash.

[kamikharzeeh]

İlk olarak Tiberius Lacedaemon tarafından gönderildi:

Sorry to deviate from the post here, but you guys seem extremely knowledgeable about Warhammer Fantasy.

Is there a website, or something, that can I start reading up on absolutely everything, that isn't the Fandom link with info about specific characters? Every time I'm interested in a character, I look them up and it seems incredible, but I can't find a link to an actual, say, history lesson for the entire Warhammer Fantasy world, or at least for this game's current "timeline", which I do recall it was all over the place.

google warhammerarmiesproject, u can download semi-official (think they took and reforged content from actual ones or sth alike) army books there. then there is simply the wiki pages like lexicaneum etc

[zefyris]

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İlk olarak zefyris tarafından gönderildi:

The real answer is that this current generation's Phoenix king is no fighter. He used to be an ambassador and greatly contributed in restauring the ties between the High Elves and the other orders factions that were cut for millenias. Including dwarves. That's why the previous Phoenix King nominated him as his successor, because he felt that what the HE needed the most in this day and age was someone who knew the world well, was well respected by their allies and wasn't isolationist.

Interestingly, in reverse, the Everqueen is usually no fighter and doesn't lead army. But this generation's Everqueen has been very proactive in that area. So the current generation on that point is reversed.

Regardless of the Everqueens, it's worth noting that only a part of the previous Kings were fighters. Their worst Phoenix king (Caledor II) was one of the better fighter as well, while some of their best never fought on a battlefield. Aenarion was one of the most powerful fighter that the warhammer world has ever seen, but that is not the case for every Phoenix king, at all, it's very varied.

This is why Finubar has no rules nor existing model on the tabletop.

That's really cool, thanks! I suppose it's just surprising that there could be a purely political leader in the Warhammer world, when it seems like every even remotely important figure in the universe has to kick so much ass that their toes forever smell of poop. I don't really know anything about Finubar's background or lore, except that he was really not fussed about Alarielle's true love being her consort. I'll need to do some reading about him, he sounds pretty interesting.

The phoenix kings and Everqueens are almost never "true love". The Phoenix King is usually elected by a council of princes and the everqueen is a direct lineage so hereditary. Both of them also have an actual harem. Tyrion was just one of the Everqueen's consort in her harem when the Chaos invasion happened. He spent "quality time" with her as he protected her for a while from assassins, himself being poisoned by one of the DE assassins. Him being her champion rather than just a consort comes from there, since he saved her back then.
The Everqueen is only required by tradition to get her first child from the Phoenix King, after that they may never have sex again and both go their way.
AFAIK, only Aernarion and Astarielle really loved each other, so it has been 6k years since that last happened.

İlk olarak Super Cosmic Space Magnet tarafından gönderildi:

.... I just read on the wiki about what Finubar did during The End Times. Bloody heck. That's... Impressively lame. The writer must've really hated elves lmao

The end times writer clearly hated HE and was a DE fanboy. He didn't hesitate to write every single HE character out of character, making them all take decision (including gods!) that they would never ever take, and wrote it in a way that made everything go DE's way for no reason lol. He must have terribly enjoyed how his canon breaking fanfiction made every HE player reading it pissed for the next 10 years.

İlk olarak Tiberius Lacedaemon tarafından gönderildi:

Sorry to deviate from the post here, but you guys seem extremely knowledgeable about Warhammer Fantasy.

Is there a website, or something, that can I start reading up on absolutely everything, that isn't the Fandom link with info about specific characters? Every time I'm interested in a character, I look them up and it seems incredible, but I can't find a link to an actual, say, history lesson for the entire Warhammer Fantasy world, or at least for this game's current "timeline", which I do recall it was all over the place.

Stuff written in a more historic way is usually found in the various respective warhammer Armies, so per faction rather than as a whole. Each warhammer army has a long section about the race's History as well as a chronology of important events. I think that if you go look at the wiki by race rather than specific character, you'll get a shortened rundown of what is written in the respective warhammer army.

[A.Pot]

He's really more of a politician rather than a warrior whereas others like Franz or Louen are both. If he were in game though, I would like for him to be slightly but only by a little bit, stronger High Elf Prince whose real strength is being a force multiplier for your army.

[Reverend Belial]

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İlk olarak Tiberius Lacedaemon tarafından gönderildi:

Sorry to deviate from the post here, but you guys seem extremely knowledgeable about Warhammer Fantasy.

Is there a website, or something, that can I start reading up on absolutely everything, that isn't the Fandom link with info about specific characters? Every time I'm interested in a character, I look them up and it seems incredible, but I can't find a link to an actual, say, history lesson for the entire Warhammer Fantasy world, or at least for this game's current "timeline", which I do recall it was all over the place.

google warhammerarmiesproject, u can download semi-official (think they took and reforged content from actual ones or sth alike) army books there. then there is simply the wiki pages like lexicaneum etc

Do not actually do this, the fan-made army books are a fat load of crap, and the wikis are extremely unreliable.

Official army books aren't a bad place to look, though even they can be somewhat inconsistent. That's the biggest issue with getting into the setting in general, it's highly inconsistent and extremely decentralized on top of it. You can never tell if what you're reading was written by someone who actually knows what they're on about, and it's only made worse by GW liking to hide their lack of oversight behind "unreliable narrator".

[Jack Deth]

Well I'm not a pointy eared nerd.

So in contrary to many bashing the End Times (Which i will gladly argue up until Glottkin it wasn't terrible. In fact I found Nagash to be solid but of course at that time we didn't know what was coming) I loved when Khaine (?Book 3 if my old memory serves) dropped.

The amount of edgy elves poking fun at hoity toity elves was...a thing of beauty.

And call it juvenile but after years of oppression at ASF and BotWD (poor daemons) it was nice...Granted the magic rules in that book were horrendous.

Anyways more to the topic.

I guess it's because he was always painted more as a diplomat healing the divisions that the previous ones helped create? Where as Nagash for example had existed as a tt character even before End Times (Undead 4th edition) and even in the lore had a far more active part in directly leading forces in battle.

I mean Nagash's whole shtick was to bury the gods and all others before him. He didn't trust anyone else to do what he could. The Healthbar guy seems more chill and knows he better served acting as a diplomat. They had Tyrion right? Also that not Batman elf guy, 1 of 2 I give any nod of respect for...the other being the Grimm one.

I think it's because they're the most unelfy elfs in fantasy. Which is huge bonus points but take it all with grains of salt. I'm a beastman (bestie boys), lizardmen, Counts, Kings and dwarf player.

[Baron]

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Some of the big boys like Nagash are in the grey area. As Lizzy says - CA has the call here with GW. Nagash never had TT rules back in the day for the same reasons CA hasnt got some of the others (The OP characters - Like actual Sigmar for example).

They are trying to keep the power level within scope and avoid anything AoS, flirting with the end times events, so it's unlikely we will see anything beyond 'Belakor at the PRECIPICE of godhood' - which means Arkhan the Black is close to Nagash as we will get.

Having said that they completely invented Cathay and Kislevs rosters, or near enough. There's no telling.

If I was a betting man I'd say they will do as they have said. Fill out the game to make it the definitive Warhammer experience up to and including 8th edition. They are very close to that already.

Basically this.

Except that I’m confident that Nagash will make it into the game eventually. Look to the wh2 mod for how they could do it. In the case of Sigma however, you are absolutely correct.

Also, another caveat. WOC wasn’t supposed to a playable faction in wh1. So lords like Archaon were nerfed significantly to make him balanced for player factions. Nagash represents a meeting of this old design philosophy, with the new.

A pretty clear take yep. Belakor I used as an example because he has already breached the grey area a bit.

[Baron]

İlk olarak Tiberius Lacedaemon tarafından gönderildi:

Sorry to deviate from the post here, but you guys seem extremely knowledgeable about Warhammer Fantasy.

Is there a website, or something, that can I start reading up on absolutely everything, that isn't the Fandom link with info about specific characters? Every time I'm interested in a character, I look them up and it seems incredible, but I can't find a link to an actual, say, history lesson for the entire Warhammer Fantasy world, or at least for this game's current "timeline", which I do recall it was all over the place.

I been around a while and one of the good things about Warhammer - better than many reboots of franchises etc - is that I know next to nothing about what happens around the end times. The lore that's built is strong but flexible enough that I can still have a conversation on more recent developments and kind of know what's going on.

In reality in the past it was all lore built in the army books over time - various stories etc. The whole slew of novels came later and Ive read exactly none of them.

I heartily recommend the 'lore' mod thats available on steam. Adds lots of fun stories pulled straight from the Army Books so you can play whoever you like and learn heaps. Ill try find a link.

Edit for those interested in lore: Mod is not updated but works ok as far as I can tell.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2789857945

[MrSoul]

İlk olarak Super Cosmic Space Magnet tarafından gönderildi:

.... I just read on the wiki about what Finubar did during The End Times. Bloody heck. That's... Impressively lame. The writer must've really hated elves lmao

I mean, pretty much yeah.

Most of them die off in pretty inglorious ways.

Teclis is depicted as a fool who disregarded an ancient legend, stole something vital and thus doomed the world by proxy, also dies cos tried to control too many winds of magic after Manfred just stabs Gelt and wind of metal or w/e is freed and then is too much for him. (what a wondrous ending for the elf who successfully held back chaos for so long)

Tyrion gets killed by Alith Anar, then resurrected then assumed just dies when world ends, no real note about it I can remember. (maybe survives?)

Malekith gets crushed by some rocks/world exploding (tho after a weird thing where Snorri/Grombrindal saves his life, then he feels guilty so he goes and tries to save the day, guess kinda cool but also weird and just out of character for both of them, even if justified from past events in Sundering/their lives)

Morathi about only one who outsmarts entire situation, tricks slaneesh and truly escapes from all of it, hence why shes a model/faction in AoS.

The whole thing was rushed out the door, and ultimately just a contradicting mess imho.

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

From reading up on his wiki, Finubar was a warrior. He had crimson armour and a scimitar of molten metal, curved in the style of Ind. He was a fleet captain, and was known even beyond Ulthuan as a heroic figure. According to the wiki he saved the king of Ind's daughter or something..? Also when Teclis met him, his skin radiated the same deific light as Anaeron's did. He also spent quite a lot of time away from court, at least during the first century of his reign.

Given that we have a new island chain just to the south of where Ind is, it doesn't seem unimaginable that we could get a High Elf seafaring lord with the Sea Guard units that aren't currently in the game. Skycutters! Fleet Captains! Oh my!