Trait cap limit is lame and shouldn't be hardcoded into the engine

[HolyGrail]

I wanna explore the world and hunt LLs for their traits and have the ultimate power fantasy.. but apparently now you'd have to avoid defeating the same faction too many times with the same character before you make them go extinct or even playing in a tryhard minmax way to get the great ones and avoid other ones that are only useful earlygame or if you have a spectific playstyle... in a campaign map as large as the Immortal Empires one where the lategame starts to drag, you've maxed out all your skill points, hitting this cap on my LL kills my motivation, tbh.

[Ashley]

In theory sure but I don't think i've actually hit it once but I never go for the entire map.

[HolyGrail]

The endgame crisis forced me to travel to all the corners of the map and kill wood elves on every continent.. so they started adding up, haha... never knew this existed until now.

[Lady MacBeth]

Bear in mind even traits you don't officially earn count towards the cap. Spend a turn in ambush stance, but never do it again? Still have 1 hidden point in ambusher taking up a slot even if you never finish earning the trait. I've never hit the limit personally, but I tend to just play short campaign victories. However it is annoying to think about the fact that its capped at 40 including the hidden ones.

[identity]

There never should have been unique traits for defeating LL's. It promotes stupid gameplay.

[Witski]

i don't think there is a cap anymore..

[Wicked1]

İlk olarak Ming tarafından gönderildi:

Bear in mind even traits you don't officially earn count towards the cap. Spend a turn in ambush stance, but never do it again? Still have 1 hidden point in ambusher taking up a slot even if you never finish earning the trait. I've never hit the limit personally, but I tend to just play short campaign victories. However it is annoying to think about the fact that its capped at 40 including the hidden ones.

It does not come up in long campaign either; it more of a factor if you trait farm. I personally don't trait farm, IMHO if you got time & armies to waste getting traits you can use those same resources to finishing your campaign. don't get me wrong some of those traits are nice but I've never felt you have to have them on all of your armies.

İlk olarak id tarafından gönderildi:

There never should have been unique traits for defeating LL's. It promotes stupid gameplay.

I like the defeat trait mechanic myself, but not the aspect of trait farming. IMHO any LL should only give the defeat trait out once. though it's not that big of a deal to me as I don't care what other players do unless I'm in a campaign with them.

[IonizedMercury]

There's absolutely no reason to have even more buffstacking in a game that's already lousy with it.

But OK.

Allow unlimited traits.

But then also add a ton of negative ones. There's absolutely no reason to have characters have only useful traits and it makes them also less three-dimensional if they only ever contribute to your power and basically have no real personality of their own.

[Sevrojin]

İlk olarak PMarricks tarafından gönderildi:

There's absolutely no reason to have even more buffstacking in a game that's already lousy with it.

But OK.

Allow unlimited traits.

But then also add a ton of negative ones. There's absolutely no reason to have characters have only useful traits and it makes them also less three-dimensional if they only ever contribute to your power and basically have no real personality of their own.

why do you hate fun?

[Reek]

That cap is digital cancer and should be a thing of the past.

[Imposter]

By the time you get over half the traits: The game is essentially downhill. Plus there are other stat caps, too, so having extra traits to boost Lord or army stats would be sort of useless.

[HolyGrail]

Peak entertainment is setting up your economy and chokepoints up so you can defend it with your normal lords then just go on a boat onto the other side of the map and fight exotic enemies and make friends with lizardmen by helping them out against Tzeench's interferences there by making your own and when the endgame crisis finally comes your lizard bros spearhead the high elf island with multiple doomstacks while you go for their welf friends.

İlk olarak Witski tarafından gönderildi:

i don't think there is a cap anymore..

There is, I just checked again by killing 2 more unique LLs and no traits.

[Witski]

İlk olarak DeathevokatioN tarafından gönderildi:

Peak entertainment is setting up your economy and chokepoints up so you can defend it with your normal lords then just go on a boat onto the other side of the map and fight exotic enemies and make friends with lizardmen by helping them out against Tzeench's interferences there by making your own and when the endgame crisis finally comes your lizard bros spearhead the high elf island with multiple doomstacks while you go for their welf friends.

İlk olarak Witski tarafından gönderildi:

i don't think there is a cap anymore..

There is, I just checked again by killing 2 more unique LLs and no traits.

I was talking about lord traits not total traits,you can have more than 10 lord traits and around 30 traits in total i guess.
https://youtu.be/pPp0TbeiWTQ
I reached 16 before doing another campaign.

[Pseudok]

There is a mod that lets you disable/enable different traits. In WH2 I used it for a couple of "just for fun" trait hunting runs with Taurox and Snickh after the limit kicked in.

[Lady MacBeth]

İlk olarak Witski tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak DeathevokatioN tarafından gönderildi:

Peak entertainment is setting up your economy and chokepoints up so you can defend it with your normal lords then just go on a boat onto the other side of the map and fight exotic enemies and make friends with lizardmen by helping them out against Tzeench's interferences there by making your own and when the endgame crisis finally comes your lizard bros spearhead the high elf island with multiple doomstacks while you go for their welf friends.


There is, I just checked again by killing 2 more unique LLs and no traits.

I was talking about lord traits not total traits,you can have more than 10 lord traits and around 30 traits in total i guess.
https://youtu.be/pPp0TbeiWTQ
I reached 16 before doing another campaign.

40 traits in total is the cap. This includes hidden traits that you started unlocking but haven't finished unlocking. Like being in ambush stance for one turn, but not using ambush stance enough to get the ambushing bonus trait.

[Malenthas]

I really hate the trait cap. If there was a mod that removed it, I would use that mod. Sadly, it is apparently not moddable.