Immortal Empires without demon lords?

[✠ Sigmar ✠]

I own both TW: WH I and II. I am trying to decide wether to buy part III as well.

Please tell me: Can you play the grand sandbox campaign Immortal Empires (solo/offline), but customize the game to exclude the demon hordes from the playthrough, just like you could turn off the chaos invasion in Mortal Empires?

[✠ Sigmar ✠]

Escrito originalmente por SBA77:

Escrito originalmente por Mr.Soul:

And we’ve all explained, no, can’t remove em’ short of mods as they are just normal factions that exist like any other, can’t toggle em’ no customization options for turning specific factions on or off

The vortex may have well fallen my friend and the damned walk among us in 3.

Unless OP loves Cathay or Kislev, I don't know why he wants to bother with TWW3. Demons were the big thing that was missing from Total War Warhammer and Chaos, and now with TWW3 they finally added them. If OP hates the monogod chaos factions and their demons, as well as the demons added to the mainline Chaos faction, then "part 3" isn't for him.

OP agrees.

[✠ Sigmar ✠]

Escrito originalmente por halogamb:

Escrito originalmente por ✠ Sigmar ✠:

How so?

Because daemons aren't these ethereal creatures that just ignore any and all incoming damage to them. They require magic to manifest in the material world yes, but in order to do so, they must coalesce their forms in such a way that it abides by the natural laws of the material world. They have functioning anatomies, organs, blood, and can be "killed". However they don't truly die because when they die in the material world due to being made into pin cushions by archers, sliced to bloody ribbons by Empire Greatswords or anything else, which they are susceptible to because that's how the interplay works between the Realms of Chaos and the material world according to the lore, their essence flows back into the realms of chaos where they slowly regain their personality in one of a number of ways that I won't get in to. This is, objectively, how the lore works. This is why there are daemonic factions on the map.

No, the reason why demon hordes are on the map is that some players found the chaos factions of WH I and II lacking this special flavour, and the dev reacted and put them on the map. It is fanservice. Are you fooled by this? Well, have fun then. I am not.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Escrito originalmente por ✠ Sigmar ✠:

No, the reason why demon hordes are on the map is that some players found the chaos factions of WH I and II lacking this special flavour, and the dev reacted and put them on the map. It is fanservice. Are you fooled by this? Well, have fun then. I am not.

(They aren't hordes. They take settlements like most other armies).

[BigRockWall]

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Escrito originalmente por halogamb:

Because daemons aren't these ethereal creatures that just ignore any and all incoming damage to them. They require magic to manifest in the material world yes, but in order to do so, they must coalesce their forms in such a way that it abides by the natural laws of the material world. They have functioning anatomies, organs, blood, and can be "killed". However they don't truly die because when they die in the material world due to being made into pin cushions by archers, sliced to bloody ribbons by Empire Greatswords or anything else, which they are susceptible to because that's how the interplay works between the Realms of Chaos and the material world according to the lore, their essence flows back into the realms of chaos where they slowly regain their personality in one of a number of ways that I won't get in to. This is, objectively, how the lore works. This is why there are daemonic factions on the map.

No, the reason why demon hordes are on the map is that some players found the chaos factions of WH I and II lacking this special flavour, and the dev reacted and put them on the map. It is fanservice. Are you fooled by this? Well, have fun then. I am not.

LOL they told us from day 1 that game 3 would be all about the chaos gods.

[halogamb]

Escrito originalmente por ✠ Sigmar ✠:

Escrito originalmente por halogamb:

Because daemons aren't these ethereal creatures that just ignore any and all incoming damage to them. They require magic to manifest in the material world yes, but in order to do so, they must coalesce their forms in such a way that it abides by the natural laws of the material world. They have functioning anatomies, organs, blood, and can be "killed". However they don't truly die because when they die in the material world due to being made into pin cushions by archers, sliced to bloody ribbons by Empire Greatswords or anything else, which they are susceptible to because that's how the interplay works between the Realms of Chaos and the material world according to the lore, their essence flows back into the realms of chaos where they slowly regain their personality in one of a number of ways that I won't get in to. This is, objectively, how the lore works. This is why there are daemonic factions on the map.

No, the reason why demon hordes are on the map is that some players found the chaos factions of WH I and II lacking this special flavour, and the dev reacted and put them on the map. It is fanservice. Are you fooled by this? Well, have fun then. I am not.

You do realize that Daemons of Chaos were always going to happen, right? They said so years ago when they said they were going ot include all factions with relevant army books at least, that's 16 factions, one of which is Daemons of Chaos that had an 8th edition army book. Your conspiracy theory about these "hordes" is objectively untrue. (partly because they aren't horde factions)

[✠ Sigmar ✠]

Escrito originalmente por Garatgh Deloi:

(They aren't hordes. They take settlements like most other armies).

RIdiculous. (The feature, not your explanation.) Chaos is special because it is a mystery. If you have chaos armies behaving like human and Orcish armies, they are trivialized and lose what makes Chaos so special. However, this horror of the unknown and immaterial can only be grasped by the intiated, and most people who tried to chime in here are uninitiated.

[✠ Sigmar ✠]

Escrito originalmente por halogamb:

Escrito originalmente por ✠ Sigmar ✠:

No, the reason why demon hordes are on the map is that some players found the chaos factions of WH I and II lacking this special flavour, and the dev reacted and put them on the map. It is fanservice. Are you fooled by this? Well, have fun then. I am not.

You do realize that Daemons of Chaos were always going to happen, right? They said so years ago when they said they were going ot include all factions with relevant army books at least, that's 16 factions, one of which is Daemons of Chaos that had an 8th edition army book. Your conspiracy theory is objectively untrue.

You don't know what "conspiracy theory" means.

[Eldi]

Escrito originalmente por ✠ Sigmar ✠:

You all have explained different things with different outcomes. Maybe check the customization options again. Also, everyone who is looking for a fight (like Ming or Mr. Soul) can get lost, please.

If there is no possibility to customize a sandbox game to exclude the demon lords, I will not buy WH III, because if I am forced to fight evil gods with peasants and dwarven workers with mining equipment, the immersion is just broken beyond repair.

You get dragons and other stuff too.
Are you sure you've played the first 2?

Not to mention lords of undeath, mortals can't touch.
Demigods.
Walking tree's.

Your ok with peasents fighting Gorgon's or the green knight?

[✠ Sigmar ✠]

Escrito originalmente por Eldi:

You get dragons and other stuff too.
Are you sure you've played the first 2?

... and blocked. Bye-bye.

[Old Dirty Bingo Caller]

So you dont really want to play a warhammer game, based on you not understanding the lore at all *yawn*

[Eldi]

Escrito originalmente por ✠ Sigmar ✠:

Escrito originalmente por Eldi:

You get dragons and other stuff too.
Are you sure you've played the first 2?

... and blocked. Bye-bye.

Echo chamber activated.
'transformer noises'

[Aleera]

Escrito originalmente por ✠ Sigmar ✠:

Escrito originalmente por Rianne:

In literal any fantasy setting, demons, devils, angels, dragons, giants etc all can be fought and beaten.

You continue to tell yourself that. It is not true at all, especially not with mundane weapons, but if it makes you feel happier about your purchase, who am I to judge? Just carry on now.

Dungeons and dragons, they have damage resistance to non magical weapons. Doesn't mean they can't be hurt by it.
Do tell me how in folklore they kill a Vampire? Oh, wood through the heart? Sounds mundane. Rose petals in the mouth? Sounds quite mundane. Forced across running water?
Salt is used to counter demons in the bible. Slap that on a pitchfork. Sounds pretty mundane to me. Fairly certain mundane iron was a countermeasure against both demons and GOD in the bible. This omnipotent being of the bible, was unable to stop iron chariots. Horseshoes of iron are meant to ward of demons.

So yes, mundane weapons have always worked against the physical manifestation and in protection against demons and other evil entities.

So again, do tell me why peasants, miners, farmers, woodworkers, soldiers. Fighting of daemonic entities, dying by the hundreds, just to kill of a single big Daemon, how is this immersion breaking and unbelieveable for you?

If you don't like the Daemons and how they look etc. By all means, you're free to your opinion. I won't judge your preferences. But if the lore for this fantasy setting states that daemons can be killed of by peasants, then that's how it is.

[brownacs]

Escrito originalmente por ✠ Sigmar ✠:

Do you understand that this discrepancy between (a plausible version of) the lore and game mechanics is the problem that breaks my immersion? Table top mechanics are no argument to accept video game mechanics if they are both implausible considering what demons are in this Fantasy setting.

Interestingly I view it the other way and think the lore's the problem and the game should be left as is (as I think about it, it's a game first and foremost, not a story). Just thought that was an interesting aside. Yeah I understand what you mean but erm... que sera sera? Yeah it's a bit on the dumb side that a Bloodthirster can get killed by a bunch of Bretonnian peasant archers given how supposedly powerful they should be but at the same time them's the rubs I'm afraid. If you really do want to change that then mods are going to be your only real recourse.

[halogamb]

Escrito originalmente por ✠ Sigmar ✠:

Escrito originalmente por halogamb:

You do realize that Daemons of Chaos were always going to happen, right? They said so years ago when they said they were going ot include all factions with relevant army books at least, that's 16 factions, one of which is Daemons of Chaos that had an 8th edition army book. Your conspiracy theory is objectively untrue.

You don't know what "conspiracy theory" means.

I genuinely think that you have more issues that you're avoiding besides your lack of self-awareness surrounding your conspiracy theory. But It's clear this is a troll/bait thread now and in reality, I'm actually ok with you being wrong. Have at your echo chamber!

[BrannFox]

Escrito originalmente por ✠ Sigmar ✠:

I own both TW: WH I and II. I am trying to decide wether to buy part III as well.

Please tell me: Can you play the grand sandbox campaign Immortal Empires (solo/offline), but customize the game to exclude the demon hordes from the playthrough, just like you could turn off the chaos invasion in Mortal Empires?

No, you cannot remove demon hordes from Immortal Empires. They are their own faction now and each chaos faction ( demon LL of nurgle, demon LL of tzeench etc ) have starting positions placed all over the map and occupy starting settlements. They are not treated as an event, they are treated as regular factions now. Wh3 is based all around the Chaos factions.