Vassalization

[Dimwit Donald (very high IQ)]

Is there a list of factions that can vassalize? I only just started WoC and Tzeetch, and saw that they both can, but none of the old factions. So, is vassalization available to all demon/chaos factions? It's kind of a shame that there isn't something similar for all the others. It would seem to make for a more playable end game when you don't have to steam-roll, manage and defend 100 regions all by yourself.

[Chunky Monkey]

Would also be interest in an answer to this please.

[Dimwit Donald (very high IQ)]

Well, I started a few more campaigns just for testing. Cathay doesn't get to vassalize for example, being also a new faction, but Nurgle does. I think it's safe to assume that only the ones spreading the different chaos corruptions can vassalize. Makes the game so much less tedious and more varied...

[Lux Imperia]

vamps can vassalise too

[Dimwit Donald (very high IQ)]

Originally posted by Lux Imperia:

vamps can vassalise too

They can? But not vampire coast.

[Lux Imperia]

Yea they can vassalise to get blood kisses, at least they did in game 2 (which seems to have the same rules as to who can get vassals)

[Vaeringjar]

can High elves not vassaliise? wiki doesn't specify, and it's super useful for rp

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I think that most Chaos like factions can and Vampires.
Humans, Dwarfs, Elves, Skaven, Vampire Coast, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Cathay, Tomb Kings, Kislev and perhaps some others I can't recall cannot vassalise.
Basically everything in the north part of the map usually can.

[Jerroser]

Originally posted by Stinky:

I think that most Chaos like factions can and Vampires.
Humans, Dwarfs, Elves, Skaven, Vampire Coast, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Cathay, Tomb Kings, Kislev and perhaps some others I can't recall cannot vassalise.
Basically everything in the north part of the map usually can.

Most races should be able to vassalise others through diplomacy, its just only RoC and Slaanesh factions have special mechanics that are able to do it automatically. RoC can auto force Norscan factions so become their vassals by taking specific settlements linked with them as well as by capturing the last settlement of several other races. While Slaanesh is also able to force vassalise Human and Elf factions through their seduction mechanic.

[Alburton]

Warriors of Chaos can vassalize any faction, if you defeat them at their last remaining settlement and choose to vassalize them after the battle.

[Wolfie]

hmm clearly alot of people here have no idea what they are talking about.

Tomb Kings can
Chaos factions can
Vamps Can

Ive tested only outside the above and these are a no
Dwalves
All Elves
Cathay
Ogres
Humans though maybe possible with their elector count system

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Originally posted by Wolfie:

hmm clearly alot of people here have no idea what they are talking about.

Tomb Kings can

Really? Must be new in W3 then

[Wolfie]

Possible new to 3 or it was an update post Champions of Chaos DLC, because like many i thought other races could do it as well.

Tomb kings can vassalize anyone via diplomacy so you can essentially play WOC in reverse, once you get the ball rolling as TK have no units cost upkeep I had Settra with a boat load of wealth having all the good guys as vassals in africa push north.

[Vlad von Carstein]

Honestly vassals suck, playing a warriors of chaos campaign, i have 13 vassals, and they never do what i ask, and just steal settlements or kill people i want to vassalize lol.

[Wolfie]

I agree in they can be hit and miss in taking targets but they are far from useless. The pro about buying vassals then forced subjugation like nosca is you haven't devistated their infrastructure so they can start getting out decent troops again quickly and give good tribute to boot while not worrying about building it yourself, also some vassals are better at attacking than others, having a decent number of vassals like ever chosen they can at the very least keep sections occupied while you hit other areas. I had Valkia and Sigvald by them selves clear all factions of north america right down to Hag Graef while i was taking the elven islands in one game.

In tomb kings case it also greatly benefits from the wealth rolling in as their eco can be pretty trashie.

I should also mention due to how the AI prioritise the player they often ignore vassals so i often give them areas i cant be bothered holding. And they are good for clearing up armies that sneak behind your lines