The Issue With the AI Is This

[yuzhonglu]

The AI simply doesn't start with enough money or upkeep reduction to be able to field 3-4 armies on 2 settlements. So what happens is most AI only have 1.5 -2 armies, and that's not enough to go on an offensive, so they sit on their butts.

And because they sit on their butts, they can't snowball and get more income. Etc.

I added in mods that gave 5000 passive income to everyone, along with -50% upkeep reduction for the AI and they're aggressive as f-. So if you're having a problem with passive AI, just do that.

The AI is smarter in the sense they don't suicide single armies at you anymore.

[carsonox]

Can you link the mod I don't see it in your workshop page? I could be doing something wrong though

[Ashardalon]

yay more army spam, thats the solution

[yuzhonglu]

"More Background income"
"Reduced Upkeep for AI"

Search for those terms on workshop.

[Kharnath]

how is lack of money the issue? i see the ai rocking 4-6 20 stack armies at turn 20. they have enough money to pay 20k for a settlement... the problem isn't finance it's that all their armies consists of mostly ranged units.

[The Sand Witch]

AI feels improved overall though, slight improvement in battle but still can't handle magic. If they could more optimally use breath/vortex/line spells they would already be a lot more challenging, since that would basically mean you cannot corner camp or build a simple line anymore.

[yuzhonglu]

Originally posted by Kharnath:

how is lack of money the issue? i see the ai rocking 4-6 20 stack armies at turn 20. they have enough money to pay 20k for a settlement... the problem isn't finance it's that all their armies consists of mostly ranged units.

I played Slaanesh twice for 50 turns. The AI is a lot more aggressive with the mod than without.

[Kharnath]

Originally posted by yuzhonglu:

Originally posted by Kharnath:

how is lack of money the issue? i see the ai rocking 4-6 20 stack armies at turn 20. they have enough money to pay 20k for a settlement... the problem isn't finance it's that all their armies consists of mostly ranged units.

I played Slaanesh twice for 50 turns. The AI is a lot more aggressive with the mod than without.

i still can't get my head around the idea that people find the ai not aggressive enough... the ai has been relentless in my games to the point it stops being fun. i had to use a mod to disable anti player bias because every single faction was beelining towards me.

[Easy Target]

Originally posted by Kharnath:

Originally posted by yuzhonglu:

I played Slaanesh twice for 50 turns. The AI is a lot more aggressive with the mod than without.

i still can't get my head around the idea that people find the ai not aggressive enough... the ai has been relentless in my games to the point it stops being fun. i had to use a mod to disable anti player bias because every single faction was beelining towards me.

Expect skill levels vary between players, just like every other game / sport.

[ProphetTalos]

I feel like the OP is right, they put 20 stack armies on the closest settlement to you and wait. It slowly upgrades the settlement and forces you to come at 1 settlement with 2 armies of 20 stacks.

[yuzhonglu]

Frankly, everyone should say which faction they're playing when they run into AI issues. I'm playing N'kari. So there you have it.

[PegAsi]

i would say the problem is more so the Ai is stupid and only has two modes.

Attack all the time like a gorilla , even sending trash armies at you to die.
or
Letting you gather forces to steam roll them while they sit in their cities.

That's the problem, not money. There is no cunning, no planning, no trickery, just attack mode on or off. Nothing else. How hard would it be to change this behavior? idk..

[Kharnath]

Originally posted by Easy Target:

Originally posted by Kharnath:

i still can't get my head around the idea that people find the ai not aggressive enough... the ai has been relentless in my games to the point it stops being fun. i had to use a mod to disable anti player bias because every single faction was beelining towards me.

Expect skill levels vary between players, just like every other game / sport.

nothing to do with skill.
for 1 this never happened in mortal empires, and second you can win every battle but you cannot win a war against over a dozen ai factions that knows exactly where your armies are, how strong said armies are, and how it can avoid them. no matter how good you are you cannot defend a settlement against 6 armies in the same turn. it's not possible.

i never said i couldn't win i said it's frustrating.

[Easy Target]

Originally posted by Kharnath:

Originally posted by Easy Target:

Expect skill levels vary between players, just like every other game / sport.

nothing to do with skill.
for 1 this never happened in mortal empires, and second you can win every battle but you cannot win a war against over a dozen ai factions that knows exactly where your armies are, how strong said armies are, and how it can avoid them. no matter how good you are you cannot defend a settlement against 6 armies in the same turn. it's not possible.

i never said i couldn't win i said it's frustrating.

Given they have agents all over the map and likewise with allies - just the same as witth the player in no time you have a lolt of the map visable and with allies etc you see all the armies as well from the agent spam.

Do find diplomacy has more focus now perhaps - making and keeping relationships seems to have a bit more importance.

All that said, though - decent AI is pretty he singles hardest thing to code - billions each year is spent on dev AI - with hardware that makes any PC look like a abacus, AI for games is always a compromise and mostly smoke and mirrors - if it was really good - no one would ever win :P.

[Velber]

Originally posted by Ashardalon:

yay more army spam, thats the solution

It was my solution for the first two games, definitely made them more enjoyable

[Imposter]

I was stuck with 1 army for about 50 turns, and had 2 full provinces. 2 armies is enough to go on the offensive with 1 province. Even though the AI seem passive: it still allowed me some time to properly outfit my army.

I was repeatedly attacked by Archaon, Kul, Dwarfs, Imrik, all at once. Around turn 75 or so... It was a fun juggling act, but I repelled and invaded. Greenskins are awesome. Inhaven't had much complaints about passive AI, they tried to go after my throat too many times. Im playing on normal too.