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BigusDicus Mar 30, 2022 @ 4:20am
Which Chaos god is the best to sell your soul to? I think I know the answer.
I was recently pondering this question, and Although Ive never been a big Nurgle fan, after doing some research, I truly believe he would be everyones best choice.

To prove my point, I was more thinking of the way Nurgle views his own followers and how their followers interact with one and other versus the powers you may receive from the various gods.

So first lets look at how your colleagues in Chaotic worship stack up compared to other Chaos gods.
Compared to all the other Gods, Nurgles followers seem to be the only ones that are made up entirely of true believers and not partly people just seeking to enhance their own powers and gain immortality from a blessing from their respective god.
From what I can gather, Nurgle followers tend to be those who originally where terrified of death and the cycle of life, and only after overcoming their fear do they accept their fate, and the natural progression is to turn to the religion that not only also accepts the cycle but Champions it.
And the great Irony being that Nurlge followers only gain immortality after they no longer need or want it.

Where as the other Chaos cults seem to be pretty evenly split between those who genuinely believe in the philosophies of their Chaos god and those who simply wish to use the blessings of the gods to further their own interests, like gain more martial prowess or negate the effects of ageing.

Hell, two of the chaos gods actively encourage such behaviour from their followers, Of course I'm talking about Slaanesh and Tsneetach.

And the last point is how the gods view their followers.
Out of all of the Chaos gods, Nurgle seems to be the only one who views his followers with any shred of compassion. This is why only the Nurgle followers view Nurgle as not only just being their lord but also their farther.

When Nurlge punishes his followers for messing up, he doesn't punish both because he enjoys it and to teach a lesson, he seems to punish them simply because he is truly disappointed in them for failing him.

If anyone has any points for the other gods, I would love to hear them.
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Originally posted by Falaris:
How do they usually recruit their followers? The short answer is, you're usually a follower before you know you are. Your acts define you as one, and declaring it is the last step, not the first one.

Nurgle answers the prayers of those who are terrified of dying during a plague. Who sees everyone around them suffer for weeks, ravaged by some indescribably horrible disease, and eventually, thankfully, they die. Seeing this all around them, doing everything to not get infected, carefully avoiding it for days, perhaps weeks, suddenly notice... a cough. in fear they pray, 'someone, deliver me from this horror!'

And sometimes... 'someone' does. You must suffer the disease first, of course. At some point, you realize that you will die, and it will be a tremendous relief, but you don't accept it. That is what Nurgle praises. The will to endure, persevere. And suddenly, you no longer feel the itching, the burning fever, the cysts. The sinister growths become... mundane. You have not conquered the illness, but accepted it, and thus found both peace, belonging, and nurgle's love. You realize this is a better path, and seek to bring the same to others.

So... Nurgle is the stockholm syndrome faction.

Of course, noone worships tzeentch. People are ambitious, scheming sods by their nature. Everyone wants to improve their position somewhat, or everyone's position. In a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ world like Warhammer, of course people do. Especially if you know a bit of magic. After all, magic is a tool for letting you enact change. It's not like it's going to change you back... is it? No, no, of course not. And that spirit-thing that offered to help is purely beneficial like he said he is. He'll help you enact change. He's very helpful. Helpful is good.

And then suddenly your plan for a little, or a lot, of change results in a genocide and suddenly your pecs are growing tentacles. Aww, crap.

Tzeentch is the 'malicious compliance' guy.

Khorne...

Khorne isn't about killing, about blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne. Well, yeah, he is. But it's a small part of the picture. Fighting is, and people for which fighting is important. The thug at the bar defining his worth by who he can intimidate or take down, the bouncer throwing him out, police, soldiers... they all give Khorne a bit of power. The key is a willingness to fight, maim, kill. Training for it. Those who realize their survival depends on being good at it. Those who lets that define them. At some point, the cause becomes less important. Then you're very nearly a Khorne Cultist. You just need to say the name... A name. Even if that name is 'someone'. "Someone, help me!" "I'll give anything if I make it through this!". It is said that promises given under duress doesn't count. Well, unfortunately, they do count when it's the chaos gods claiming them.

Khorne - 'fighting for peace' is a fool's game.

And slaanesh.. it just takes being weak. Anyone for whom excess becomes habit. It should not be difficult to find imaginary examples, but for once, just look around you. That guy who became a type 2 diabetic; gluttony became his excess, became habit. The girl obsessed with being beautiful and being seen as beautiful. Exposing more on instagram became a way to attarct more in a self-reinforcing loop until everything was shown, everything was done, every hour of the day, all without meaning or purpose except self-gratification. That gamer playing games so much, it costs him his job, his girlfriend, his future. The world is filled with people for whom excess becomes.. habit. And instead of making you happy, it makes you miserable. People don't 'follow' Slaanesh. They just .. .accept them. Accept that this is who they are, and they will not change; in fact, they revel in it.

Slaanesh isn't about sexual hedonism, although that's often the 'fun' example - it is letting addictive behavior define your life.
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Reaver79 Mar 30, 2022 @ 4:34am 
Malal, because all the others needs a good beating.
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Argent Mar 30, 2022 @ 4:43am 
chaos undivided, why not all? lmao
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Hieronymous Mar 30, 2022 @ 4:46am 
To favor a chaos God is wrong within the fictional narrative, and wrong in real life.

In the IP it's heresy, which is a non-starter for obvious Simar reasons.

In real life, the chaos gods represent aspects of the human psyche. To favor one, especially to worship one, is to reject the wholeness of your humanity. Many ill effect ensue.



Praise Sigmar.
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BigusDicus Mar 30, 2022 @ 4:51am 
Originally posted by DEverchosen:
chaos undivided, why not all? lmao
You would have to be especially powerful beforehand to even be considered for such a prvilgege, and I'm coming from this angle like what if we where jsut the normal people we are, but in this universe.
I know we all would want to be some super badass lord of warhammer if we where to be transported into this universe, but chances are we would jsut be one of the many nameless faces, and selling your soul to just one of the Chaos gods is typically the only route for the average joes.

Also by default choas undivided are only undivided in name. As due to all the Choas gods having polar opposite philosophises on existence, which is the cause for alot of their infighting, a chaos undivided is either a liar who deep down has a favourite of the Chaos gods, or is simply self serving and doesn't really care for any of them. I would be hesitant to trust that person as a brother in arms.
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kreia Mar 30, 2022 @ 4:51am 
for me slannesh
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BigusDicus Mar 30, 2022 @ 4:57am 
Originally posted by Reaver79:
Malal, because all the others needs a good beating.

Perhaps, but due to the nature of Mal, Im pretty sure he hates his own followers as much as he does everything else.
Sure he doesn't discriminate with his hatred, but I wouldn't really want to sign up for a guy who is just as likely to inflict immense pain on me as he would his enemies.
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BigusDicus Mar 30, 2022 @ 4:58am 
Originally posted by kreia:
for me slannesh
Why my dude?
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Aparajita Mar 30, 2022 @ 4:59am 
Oh, you mean, in Lore, rather than Gameplay?
TL;DR Khorne as a Chaos Warrior, Slaanesh as a Cultist.
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Okay, so, in Lore, Chaos Warriors are essentially spawned at the Poles - they're not human to begin with, they're essentially regurgitated human souls that have been sent back to fight for the Dark Gods. Before anyone jumps on me about the lore, Norsca can't support enough people to generate the MASSIVE incursions we've seen in the past.
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So, as a regurgitating Chaos Warrior - Khorne.
It requires the least amount of pain and suffering, warfare sustains Chaos Warriors of Khorne.
No sickening plagues like Nurgle.
No horrendous mutations from Tzneetch just for the hell of it (and resist magic to boot).
No depravity from Slaanesh, like my greatest pleasures turning into nothingness.
Khorne, ultimately, has the most appeal for the short-time that most Chaos Warriors exist, bloodshed and carnage, mess stuff up until it's time to get struck back to the poles.
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If you're talking about like, Cultists? Uh, Slaanesh, probably.
Khorne cults are... messy.
Nurgle cults are digusting.
Tzneetch cults are ... interesting, I guess, but Slaanesh has the most appeal for the right-now kind of mentality that most people have.
There's my long and convoluted answer.
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Commisar Jon Fuklaw Mar 30, 2022 @ 5:06am 
Originally posted by Reaver79:
Malal, because all the others needs a good beating.
Malal doesn't exist, shut up about him.
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Namhaid Mar 30, 2022 @ 5:08am 
I guess which god will be better will depend a lot on which type of person you are, if you are someone who lies and manipulates everyone around you you'll probably won't fare too well on Khorne's realm, but you might prosper on Tzeentch's.

For the average person, you are probably right on Nurgle, I don't think he can be considered anything close to "good", but he is probably the least "evil" and it's less likely he will just sacrifice you on some plot, fit of rage or just for amusement.

Originally posted by Hieronymous:
To favor a chaos God is wrong within the fictional narrative, and wrong in real life.

In the IP it's heresy, which is a non-starter for obvious Simar reasons.

In real life, the chaos gods represent aspects of the human psyche. To favor one, especially to worship one, is to reject the wholeness of your humanity. Many ill effect ensue.



Praise Sigmar.
That only applies for the lands of the weaker races and nations of the puny southerner men, try to explain to Norscans that they shouldn't praise their gods because that's heresy, or to other races like the chorfs that favoring Hashut will have "ill" effects...


Sigmar is not a real god, just a self-delusion the whiny imperials tell themselves to deny the obvious truth that their souls will inevitably end as demon food.
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Tigercat Mar 30, 2022 @ 5:09am 
Blood for the Blood God.
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Namhaid Mar 30, 2022 @ 5:13am 
Originally posted by BrotherSextusTheSexy:
I know we all would want to be some super badass lord of warhammer if we where to be transported into this universe, but chances are we would jsut be one of the many nameless faces, and selling your soul to just one of the Chaos gods is typically the only route for the average joes.
Yeah, this is definetly true.

Originally posted by BrotherSextusTheSexy:
Also by default choas undivided are only undivided in name. As due to all the Choas gods having polar opposite philosophises on existence, which is the cause for alot of their infighting, a chaos undivided is either a liar who deep down has a favourite of the Chaos gods, or is simply self serving and doesn't really care for any of them. I would be hesitant to trust that person as a brother in arms.
Not really, Chaos Unidivided is more than just praising the four Gods equally (althought it can also be this), it's actually it's own thing, more like a single God that has different aspects of himself, think of it like the "Unholy Quadrinity".
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kreia Mar 30, 2022 @ 5:14am 
Originally posted by BrotherSextusTheSexy:
Originally posted by kreia:
for me slannesh
Why my dude?
because i love luxury and pleasure :steamthumbsup:
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BigusDicus Mar 30, 2022 @ 5:14am 
Originally posted by Aparajita:
Oh, you mean, in Lore, rather than Gameplay?
TL;DR Khorne as a Chaos Warrior, Slaanesh as a Cultist.
`
Okay, so, in Lore, Chaos Warriors are essentially spawned at the Poles - they're not human to begin with, they're essentially regurgitated human souls that have been sent back to fight for the Dark Gods. Before anyone jumps on me about the lore, Norsca can't support enough people to generate the MASSIVE incursions we've seen in the past.
`
So, as a regurgitating Chaos Warrior - Khorne.
It requires the least amount of pain and suffering, warfare sustains Chaos Warriors of Khorne.
No sickening plagues like Nurgle.
No horrendous mutations from Tzneetch just for the hell of it (and resist magic to boot).
No depravity from Slaanesh, like my greatest pleasures turning into nothingness.
Khorne, ultimately, has the most appeal for the short-time that most Chaos Warriors exist, bloodshed and carnage, mess stuff up until it's time to get struck back to the poles.
`
If you're talking about like, Cultists? Uh, Slaanesh, probably.
Khorne cults are... messy.
Nurgle cults are digusting.
Tzneetch cults are ... interesting, I guess, but Slaanesh has the most appeal for the right-now kind of mentality that most people have.
There's my long and convoluted answer.

Long and convoluted is what I'm after dude.
Okay as for your point, Your clearly alot more versed into the lore than I am, Ive merely dipped my toes into the ocean of lore that's out there.
So can you explain, from what Ive read, when you sell your soul to Nurgle, the more twisted and gross you become, the more power nurgle will bestow upon you and the more happy you become, this seems like a much smaller price than the other gods, since your not having to either dedicate every waking second of your existence to exhausting warfare like Khorne or depraved acts with Slaanesh.

I mean it just seems to me that not washing for a month is a less time consuming means of progression within a cult than having to behead countless people for Khorne or sodomise your son for Slaanesh.

Also there seems to be a wholesomeness to Nurgle cults, since they truly believe in the circle of life and trully feel like their big pappa Nurgle loves them, I just don't see it as an accident that their the only chaos faction that always has a smile on their face lol
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BigusDicus Mar 30, 2022 @ 5:16am 
Originally posted by kreia:
Originally posted by BrotherSextusTheSexy:
Why my dude?
because i love luxury and pleasure :steamthumbsup:

But it seems to me that a thinking man would avoid Slaaneshsh like the plague if they enjoy pleasure, since like the modern day drug addict his whole thing is making everything you enjoy become ever more fruitless and make you fall further and further down a rabbit whole of excess forever searching for your next high because the things you used to love no longer actually bring pleasure. Your thoughts?
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