Are we ever going to get a normal TW game again ?

[Mentally eel]

i love warhammer. i used to collect it n all that stuff but i also love the old kind of total war games with more history n stuff.

I want my medieval total war.

[Queco Jones21]

Publicado originalmente por Zugs:

no we arent.. why because historical titles have no variance in armies and there is no DLC worth a crap. Where as Warhammer is a trove of all of the above. If they are smart their next game would be Lord of the rings, or Conan based....

Not entirely true. Rome 1/2 had some decent variance.

That said, most TWs take place in areas or periods where either the culture was mostly the same (Shogun 1/2 and 3K) or combat was more or less standardized (Medievals and Empire). Its sadly a drawback of basing games on history.

We can only hope that CA has learned from their experiance with Warhammer (mosty excellent content drops) and 3k (mostly subpar or unwanted dlcs *cough…8 princes…cough*) and future games will have much better content.

[SBA77]

Publicado originalmente por Zugs:

no we arent.. why because historical titles have no variance in armies and there is no DLC worth a crap. Where as Warhammer is a trove of all of the above. If they are smart their next game would be Lord of the rings, or Conan based....

Admittedly Conan would fun. Also who says that CA won't come with some kinds of original Ip for a fantasy series. It would certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than constantly trying to acquire new licenses.

[Queco Jones21]

Publicado originalmente por SBA77:

Publicado originalmente por Zugs:

no we arent.. why because historical titles have no variance in armies and there is no DLC worth a crap. Where as Warhammer is a trove of all of the above. If they are smart their next game would be Lord of the rings, or Conan based....

Admittedly Conan would fun. Also who says that CA won't come with some kinds of original Ip for a fantasy series. It would certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than constantly trying to acquire new licenses.

Sure, but those licenses SELL. Imagine for a min a well done LOTR Total War... it would sell like crazy. Not to mention all the potential DLC there is. The movies barely even touched on the number of factions and groups that were involved in the war.

Or a Game of Thrones?? Although this would likewise suffer from the army variance thing. It would be like the Rome games, with certain areas have cultures that determine their unit types.

So yeah, getting licenses for well known IPs would be well worth their cost in the long run.

[SBA77]

Publicado originalmente por Queco Jones21:

Publicado originalmente por SBA77:

Admittedly Conan would fun. Also who says that CA won't come with some kinds of original Ip for a fantasy series. It would certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than constantly trying to acquire new licenses.

Sure, but those licenses SELL. Imagine for a min a well done LOTR Total War... it would sell like crazy. Not to mention all the potential DLC there is. The movies barely even touched on the number of factions and groups that were involved in the war.

Or a Game of Thrones?? Although this would likewise suffer from the army variance thing. It would be like the Rome games, with certain areas have cultures that determine their unit types.

So yeah, getting licenses for well known IPs would be well worth their cost in the long run.

I'm not saying they wouldn't happen every so often, but I just don't think it would be very, or difficult to keep sustainable if that's all CA did from here in.

[Ysthrall]

What defines a "normal" TW game?

[Old Dirty Bingo Caller]

Publicado originalmente por Ysthrall:

What defines a "normal" TW game?

One where all factions have identical rosters

[Ysthrall]

Publicado originalmente por Old Dirty Bingo Caller:

Publicado originalmente por Ysthrall:

What defines a "normal" TW game?

One where all factions have identical rosters

Never happened. Even Shogun 1 had a different roster when the Mongols turned up in the expansion.... oh yeah, every faction was identical to each other before that, in terms of roster. :)

Med1 had a few faction specific units. But we're talking less than 5% of their rosters there.

I played Attila as a systems test for this game. It was crowds of humans wearing brown pushing each other around.... :(

If "a normal TW game" is a historical one set on Earth, I'd like one covering south asia from 1200 to 1800. Quite a few cultures and variation to bounce off each other there.

[Old Dirty Bingo Caller]

Publicado originalmente por Ysthrall:

Publicado originalmente por Old Dirty Bingo Caller:

One where all factions have identical rosters

Never happened. Even Shogun 1 had a different roster when the Mongols turned up in the expansion.... oh yeah, every faction was identical to each other before that, in terms of roster. :)

Med1 had a few faction specific units. But we're talking less than 5% of their rosters there.

I played Attila as a systems test for this game. It was crowds of humans wearing brown pushing each other around.... :(

If "a normal TW game" is a historical one set on Earth, I'd like one covering south asia from 1200 to 1800. Quite a few cultures and variation to bounce off each other there.

Even when every faction in a game has one or two unique units I still count that as identical rosters.
And factions having +10% to this and that does not at all make for a different experience.

[Awsome]

Chaos dwarfs will be released around around summer, so i expect a new Total War game around Winter

[NixAhmose]

Publicado originalmente por Ysthrall:

What defines a "normal" TW game?

One that lacks noticable unit health bars, magic, and single entity units that can kill multiple units by themselves and overall have a higher focus on historical immersion and tactics over spectacle and mechanical variety.
Not to say that fantasy total war games are bad, WH2 is my most played total war game for a very good reason. Its just the more traditional historical had their own strengths that made them great as well. I don't want CA to stop making fantasy games, but man I would really love it if we could get a historical game like Shogun 2 and FoTS that perfectly captured the atmosphere of the time period.

[Shina1988]

Publicado originalmente por THEDOSSBOSS:

Likely not. 3k and troy are our models to go off of for modern historical titles. Even if we do get a medieval 3, it will not be the remaster/remake/remagining of medieval 2 that everyone wants. That style of TW is long gone

Yeah, you are right about that, the old total war games we used to love are not being made anymore, Warhammer is fun but when it comes to up close battles it was way more fun to watch mediaval 2 and shogun 2 totdal war. but I know we will never get it. at best we get something like troy or three kingdoms. mediaval 3 totalwar.

[Elitewrecker PT]

They're making 3K 2 though

[North Yorkshire Claret]

Publicado originalmente por Unrealtairo:

Fantasy is the new normal.

Granted, I loved Shogun 2, but it's dated now.

Once you start adding magic & dragons breathing fire all over into your real time battles you can't just "roll back" out to simple guns & bows anymore. It's snoozeville.

I don't presume to know what they plan on doin next but if you want an example of them trying to "roll back" just look at Three Kingdoms TW, they stopped updating it due to it failing so badly and announced that they're dropping support (In a ..... political way) right on the games page. Lol.

There is no going back now and they know it, tested it, already.

I wouldn't be opposed to LOTR, but really as long as they don't try to roll back again, anything should do.

AS LONG AS THEY UPDATE THE DAMN GRAPHICS ENGINE, lol.
If they don't update the damn engine, idc if they make WH4 with all free DLC, I won't be getting it.

Whats up the the graphics? They are servable.

Rather they spent time and money to create new, better AI, mechanics, performance improvements, larger unit sizes etc etc

Stuff that actually effects the gameplay - far more important.

[GirthQuake]

I would like to see a more expanded TW following the age of muskets and such, of course we have empire and napoleon but those games are dated, though I would not mind a 40k total war game since dawn of war is eh atm

[Donut Steel]

Publicado originalmente por Totally Not Myers:

Publicado originalmente por Bengis:

Now who wouldn't be excited for Medieval 3 made by Nu CA, where Cortez can cast magic after he takes the cursed Aztec gold, inspired by the plot to Pirates of The Caribbean?



Really? Because it reminds me of Blizzard after they started sucking but before the current known allegations about the workplace culture surfaced.

Sorry you felt that way back when StarCraft Brood War, Diablo 2, and Warcraft 3 were released.

You didn't read the post. *After* they started sucking but before the current known allegations.