LegendofTotal - The head of a toxic, very loud, small part of the total war community.

[The adventures of Lyonic!]

This guy has literally made his living of a company, is given exclusive access that other fans of the game would love. This is like some person called "Legend of Starbucks" who is throwing his toys out the pram because the latest coffee does not have the sprinkles he likes.

Lets rally behind CA and ditch the fair-weather fans!



LegendofTotal War RESPONSE


"Since I'm not livestreaming for a while I'm not going to be able to publicly give thoughts through that medium. I'll put up one last community post and hopefully clear some things up. I only feel the need to do this because of the absolute rubbish being said about me in r/ totalwar. This post should hopefully explain in detail why my mood completely derailed lately. r/ totalwar needs to pull its head in and stop attacking people that disagree with them. We're all in this together even if we disagree on some things. If you're not interested in listening to someone elses point of view don't straw man their arguments just to make yourself feel better. You have the option to stay out of it. You only make yourself look stupid when you take something someone said out of context or exaggerate it to the point where it doesn't resemble what they were talking about in the first place. If someone has a problem with a game that you enjoy do not take that as a personal attack, because it isn't and you look like a baby when you lash out.


A year ago I told CA that I would be completely at their disposal for Warhammer 3. Whether that meant to test features, provide feedback, cameo a voice line, whatever.

In the lead up to launch I, and all other creators, were drip fed boring meetings, blogs and other unimportant information that was most of the time 1-2 days before it was public knowledge. There was not a single opportunity to actually get involved in the development of Warhammer 3 nor were we even informed about what the campaign was going to be about.

I got early access for Warhammer 3 on Jan 7, but wasn't able to play it until Jan 11. As soon as I was able I jumped in and starting playing it all day every day. However I immediately found issues with the campaign and brought it to CA's attention. The Realm of Chaos campaign right from the get go was just horrible. Right from my very first campaign. It didn't matter which faction or what difficulty. I kept giving it more chances, and grew to hate it more and more. I discovered, however, that my enjoyment improved if I simply ignored it and went about the domination style campaign and just closed all the rifts with heroes.

After about 10 days of early access we were able to start livestreaming the game. At this time I had started half a dozen campaigns but had finished none of them. I was still heavily conflicted about the main campaign mechanic and resolved to simply not showcase it at all because I knew I'd have a huge rant about it and that was NOT ALLOWED at this stage. There were very strict guidelines in place and people that broke them were kicked out of the creator program.

After some more time of early access livestreaming where I was just dodging the realm of chaos mechanic I was finally able to give a review of the game. The problem was I was still heavily conflicted. On one hand I loved the new features, mechanics, factions. On the other hand the Realm of Chaos was OBNOXIOUS but I knew how to dodge it.

I wasn't happy with the review I released. I weighted the Realm of Chaos far too lightly and people now think I give the game two thumbs up which is not correct. I even said in the review not to get Warhammer 3 unless you've already overplayed Warhammer 2. I weighed the Realm of Chaos lightly because I wasn't interacting with it at all. It wasn't a part of the campaigns I was playing. However when the game launched it suddenly became a huge topic and I was bombarded with Realm of Chaos questions and my held back hatred of it burst forth. A month of pent up frustration came out all at once. Rant after rant came out from this anti-fun mechanic but every time it was triggered because someone asked about it. It became impossible for me to just ignore it any more so I decided to stop livestreaming. I simply can't livestream this game without someone asking about the realm of chaos and I'm personally unable to ignore those questions. As a general rule of the channel I answer any gameplay related questions, this conflict became unbearable for me and thus you saw my mood spiral.

So to make it perfectly clear. If you remove the Realm of Chaos Daemon Prince Soul Race from Warhammer 3 I would love the game. It'd easily be a 9/10. There are a few annoying bugs and technical issues but I can tolerate all of them. My primary gripe with Warhammer 3 is solely directed at the Realm of Chaos mechanic. It fundamentally and critically breaks the most important rule of any game design. Is it fun? no!

I understand you can mod the rifts out and I completely understand when people don't get why I don't do it, but as a personal policy I do not mod my games. It feels like cheating and I immediately lose interest in my campaigns when I mod them. I also understand why people find that confusing because I'll blatantly use exploits and cheese. A man's gotta draw the line somewhere and that's where it is for me.

Why am I so mad at CA? As mentioned above I made myself available to them for an entire year and put a lot of things on hold just in case they wanted to make use of me for whatever reason. I was not involved in anything throughout the entire year. No collaborations took place despite them mentioning a number of times a desire to do so. It is completely up to CA whether or not to take up that offer and whilst it was disappointing for me I can't expect them to do so. However if they don't take me up on the offer now then they never will.

I did expect one thing from them. That Warhammer 3 be a success and that it not ruin what they've built from Warhammer 2. If they failed at this, which they did, then the entire partnership breaks down. CA proceeded to be stubborn and take a giant dump on everything they built on Warhammer 2. They thought their secrets so precious that no feedback could possibly have been useful to their "fantastic" idea so they left everyone in the dark until it was far too late to do anything about it. Their arrogance was astounding and now game 3 is in shambles and the community is tearing itself apart.

Something like 75% of the playerbase stopped playing and is waiting on Mortal Empires or just isn't coming back at all. If you're in that 25% of people that stayed, great for you, but have some empathy for the others. We had the exact same things being said at Thrones of Britannia's launch. "Why are people complaining. I'm loving this" kind of rubbish. Well Thrones died in the ass and Warhammer 3 might too if you're not careful. Do you want 5 years of dlc support or do you want the 3 Kingdoms express package? CA will abandon years of dlc if it feels like people aren't playing the game. You should be just as concerned as I am.

Remember as well that it's not all about me. I wouldn't be pissed at them if this was an isolated incident. They took NONE of the feedback from other creators as well into consideration. Some of the other feedback was excellent and it was all ignored. The others probably just aren't as pissed about it as I am probably because most of them are currently playing Elden Ring and just waiting for Mortal Empires. I suppose I'm just going to do that now, except I'm playing Skyrim again. New gold ingot stack here I come.

All I've ever wanted was for Warhammer 3 to be enjoyed by the entire fan base. It doesn't bother me if one my cheeses or exploits gets patched out. I just find new ones. Warhammer 3 is not currently being enjoyed by the entire fan base. This should have been the best Total War launch ever and instead we got an almost Rome 2 launch. Disappointing as hell.

I'm still dedicated to Warhammer 3. A rough launch isn't seeing me abandon the game just like that. But livestreams suck at the moment and I'm not my best self. Livestreaming a different game won't change that.

I ask one thing from everyone that reads this and on the reddit. Stop attacking each other. If you don't like the game for whatever reason you are entitled to your opinion and a valued member of the total war community. If you love the game for whatever reason you are entitled to your opinion and a valued member of the total war community. We don't have to be a hive mind and play the exact same way and like the exact same things. Warhammer 3 has problems and most of them were completely preventable."

[Sgt. Ligma]

His points and concerns regarding the game seem perfectly fine and well built to me.

I don't agree with all of it, as the game is absolutely playable to me, although I'm not a huge fan of some of the campaign mechanics and I really dislike towers in this game, I miss having more open field battles, etc....

And I 100% share his concerns regarding the fact that CA could possibly abandon WH3 if they see that the community doesn't like the game.

[Hexagoros]

So when Three Kingdoms and Warhammer 1 and 2 released to "Very Positive" reviews, were those reviews invalid too?

Or is it only when the community has concerns that user feedback becomes invalid?

The user scores are in, and CA messed up.

[The adventures of Lyonic!]

Originally posted by Goblin Rat:

His points and concerns regarding the game seem perfectly fine and well built to me.

I don't agree with all of it, as the game is absolutely playable to me, although I'm not a huge fan of some of the campaign mechanics and I really dislike towers in this game, I miss having more open field battles, etc....

And I 100% share his concerns regarding the fact that CA could possibly abandon WH3 if they see that the community doesn't like the game.

Not being able to align yourself with the vision of this campaign and trashing things for drama.

Two different things.

[Hexagoros]

Originally posted by Lyonic:

Originally posted by Goblin Rat:

His points and concerns regarding the game seem perfectly fine and well built to me.

I don't agree with all of it, as the game is absolutely playable to me, although I'm not a huge fan of some of the campaign mechanics and I really dislike towers in this game, I miss having more open field battles, etc....

And I 100% share his concerns regarding the fact that CA could possibly abandon WH3 if they see that the community doesn't like the game.

Not being able to align yourself with the vision of this campaign and trashing things for drama.

Two different things.

"Not being able to align yourself with the vision of this campaign?" lol wat?

How much is CA paying you to spout this nonsense?

[Buurz]

Legend is totally right.

[Shlomosuke]

Obviously farming for points, might be the single worst bait i've seen in a while.

[starkmaddness]

OP, what is your deal? You are a condescending A-hole to everyone who has a different opinion (you have another thread saying people are too dumb to get the brilliance of the campaign). You are free to like the campaign, despite it being horrible. But you cannot seem to accept that people might feel differently than you. Just stop already, no matter how many threads you create, people aren't going to magically start agreeing with you, especially when your method of conveying your point is condescension.

[Kubulin24]

All of Legend's points are valid. Chaos Realms maybe sound good on paper, but it is only extremely annoying thing in campaign that forces player to sit on 1 province to not get destroyed when your legendary lord isnt home for 15 turns or something.

You are only triggered fanboy crybaby, who cant respect other people opinions. If you are trying to use same method as was use to cancel Arch Warhammer, than i suggest you stop, because Legend isnt doing anything offensive.

[Testikles]

"This guy has literally made his living of a company, is given exclusive access that other fans of the game would love. This is like some person called "Legend of Starbucks" who is throwing his toys out the pram because the latest coffee does not have the sprinkles he likes."

Why are you talking nonsense? Do you propose he should be dishonest just because he makes TW content since years? I'd rather have him speaking whats on his mind and act accordingly than playing theater for clicks. And what exactly is he throwing out after countless videos and over 1000 h already on TW 3?

He makes a clear cut here for various reasons. You may like it or not, but advising him he should rather lie than speak his mind is idiotic.

[The adventures of Lyonic!]

Originally posted by starkmaddness:

OP, what is your deal? You are a condescending A-hole to everyone who has a different opinion (you have another thread saying people are too dumb to get the brilliance of the campaign). You are free to like the campaign, despite it being horrible. But you cannot seem to accept that people might feel differently than you. Just stop already, no matter how many threads you create, people aren't going to magically start agreeing with you, especially when your method of conveying your point is condescension.

"I got early access for Warhammer 3 on Jan 7, but wasn't able to play it until Jan 11."

"In the lead up to launch I, and all other creators, were drip fed boring meetings, blogs and other unimportant information that was most of the time 1-2 days before it was public knowledge."

Where I come from, this would be classed as being a spoiled brat "i didnt get the best one"

It's like he thinks CA owe him ANYTHING and he gets mad and lashes out cause he cant cash in.

[Emmental]

Originally posted by starkmaddness:

OP, what is your deal? You are a condescending A-hole to everyone who has a different opinion (you have another thread saying people are too dumb to get the brilliance of the campaign). You are free to like the campaign, despite it being horrible. But you cannot seem to accept that people might feel differently than you. Just stop already, no matter how many threads you create, people aren't going to magically start agreeing with you, especially when your method of conveying your point is condescension.

''I ask one thing from everyone that reads this and on the reddit. Stop attacking each other. If you don't like the game for whatever reason you are entitled to your opinion and a valued member of the total war community. If you love the game for whatever reason you are entitled to your opinion and a valued member of the total war community.''

[bibron]

What I hate the moste (aside from the portal rift) is the autoresolve.
Playing as Nurgle, I have a settlement wich spawn a rebellion every 2 turns (~3,5 k).
But I can't auto resolve this ♥♥♥♥. Everytime I have nearly the same army as the rebellion, but more ... And i'm in a settlement.
CA is like: "Yo, let me autoresolve that battle for you, but I intentionally lose because ♥♥♥♥ you"

[Testikles]

Originally posted by Lyonic:

Originally posted by starkmaddness:

OP, what is your deal? You are a condescending A-hole to everyone who has a different opinion (you have another thread saying people are too dumb to get the brilliance of the campaign). You are free to like the campaign, despite it being horrible. But you cannot seem to accept that people might feel differently than you. Just stop already, no matter how many threads you create, people aren't going to magically start agreeing with you, especially when your method of conveying your point is condescension.

"I got early access for Warhammer 3 on Jan 7, but wasn't able to play it until Jan 11."

"In the lead up to launch I, and all other creators, were drip fed boring meetings, blogs and other unimportant information that was most of the time 1-2 days before it was public knowledge."

Where I come from, this would be classed as being a spoiled brat "i didnt get the best one"

So you never complain about your work? You never voice your opinion about what could run better in a company? You just take everything you get and "be happy" that you are allowed to work at all?

Where I come from, this would be classed as...well...not very clever.

[MuffinCat נתן]

lol seek help

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

Nonsense.

I don't like the streamer either, I think he's a wingey git, but this post is 2 sentences of "gimme attention" then a copy pasta of something that actually took some time and effort to write.