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Falaris 2022 年 2 月 24 日 下午 10:00
Bloodletters vs. Chaos Warriors of Khorne
For a starting Skrabrand army I'm pretty sure the chaos warriors are worth it. 100 armor + shield makes them a LOT more survivable than the bloodletters - and they are cheaper. I am less sure once you get Exalted Bloodletters; they are still not as solid, but a lot more murderous, and much faster, too.

What do you guys think?
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VoiD 2022 年 2 月 25 日 上午 12:23 
Warriors often win more combats, they kill slower, sure, but if the enemy has no AP they can beat enemies the bloodletters can't, and take less damage in the process.


Their real issue is their speed, they are SLOW, but they are great warriors, hell, they are all chosen of chaos so Khorne doesn't really have a T1, their base infantry is like T4 at least.
Freiya 2022 年 2 月 25 日 上午 3:11 
I don't like chaos warriors that much because of how slow they are. Their biggest advantage over bloodletters is their protection against missiles.

Bloodletters are very fast killing machines and I prefer to use them. Just rush the enemy and destroy everything ! A mix of both could work if you use the bloodletters as flankers but the benefit is really limited over an army full of bloodletters. In some battles, your chaos warriors will barely be useful while trying to catch other units.

Chaos warriors are potentially good in sieges because they can tank towers a bit better but they are soooo slow, it's painful to move them through the city. It's much better to just have bloodletters along with some flying units whose role will be to destroy some towers.
最后由 Freiya 编辑于; 2022 年 2 月 25 日 上午 3:15
archmag 2022 年 2 月 25 日 上午 3:23 
Main reason to use chaos warriors for me is because blood letters disintegrate while warriors just flee. So all that experience you gained on a unit just disappears due to one lucky enemy cast that annihilates 90% of the unit. Or because unit was caught in a cavalry attack from the back while I didn't pay attention.

But yes, chaos warriors are slow as hell. So while they can tank some tower shots (probably, shield only works against small projectiles and I am not sure if tower projectiles count as small) it is much better to just get to the supply point faster and make the tower disappear using blood letters.
Simple Kind of Man 2022 年 2 月 25 日 上午 3:32 
引用自 Dan
Exalted blood letters for days. Playing through a legendary camp now, Skarbrand + 17 exalted BL and the two cav squads + shrine you start with. Currently steam rolling Cathay. Largest army ive taken was 3 full stack + a built up garrison. there were 7 or 8 constructs + all elite inf in cathay army. Killed everything and walked away 20/20.

The main reason you should go blood letter ( for me at least ) is that the tier 4 or 5 upgrades for khorne give a bonus to blood letter and exalted blood letter regeneration. HUGE.

EDIT: Diff story when it comes to multiplayer.
ya the best troops are the best...:steamfacepalm:
最后由 Simple Kind of Man 编辑于; 2022 年 2 月 25 日 上午 3:32
Falaris 2022 年 2 月 25 日 上午 5:12 
The stats are as follows:
Warriors of Chaos
Armor 100 (silver)
Leadership 75
Speed 28
MAtt 42
MDef 40
WStr 39 (28/11)
Charge 22
Immune to psychology
Frenzy(Included in stats)

Bloodletters of Khorne
Armor 30
Leadership 60
Speed 38
MAtt 34 (magic)
MDef 26
WStr 34 (11/23, +9 vs inf)
Charge 30
20% Phys res
25% Spell res

A straight up comparison is not favorable to Bloodletters. The Warriors, on paper, should defeat them all day, It's easy to miss that Frenzy, but here it pushes the match decisively in the Chaos Warriors' favor.

Bloodletters have less hp, same figures, and some preliminary calculations show that due to the armor and hit chance, they'll do less damage than the warriors to their counterpart, and they're more expensive, too

This bears out in actual gameplay, too.

But, for siege battles in particular, which we now have a lot of, speed is absolutely a factor, and the Chaos Warriors are some of the slowest infantry in game, only beating out nurgle troops... I think? Still, they're about 75% as fast as the Bloodletters. That's a real difference, but it's not halved or anything.

And then we have
Exalted Bloodletters of Khorne
Armor 40
Leadership 70
Speed 38
MAtt 42 (magic, flaming)
MDef 34
WStr 44 (13/31, +13 vs inf)
Charge 36
20% Phys res
25% Spell res

The hellblade is mostly irrelevant for this comparison; it won't trigger before a duel is decided, but it is worth keeping in mind. Flaming is good against regenerating and healing magic. Same with the magic damage, but it increases their utility against a lot of other targets. Still, Exalteds have much better MAtt and MDef than their earlier counterparts. Combined with the higher damage, that's a decisive change in balance. But the change in cost and recruitment time is also considerable.

Just adding numbers and a quick analysis for some more 'meat' to the discussion. :)
Freiya 2022 年 2 月 25 日 上午 5:49 
引用自 Falaris
The stats are as follows:
Warriors of Chaos
Armor 100 (silver)
Leadership 75
Speed 28
MAtt 42
MDef 40
WStr 39 (28/11)
Charge 22
Immune to psychology
Frenzy(Included in stats)

Bloodletters of Khorne
Armor 30
Leadership 60
Speed 38
MAtt 34 (magic)
MDef 26
WStr 34 (11/23, +9 vs inf)
Charge 30
20% Phys res
25% Spell res

A straight up comparison is not favorable to Bloodletters. The Warriors, on paper, should defeat them all day, It's easy to miss that Frenzy, but here it pushes the match decisively in the Chaos Warriors' favor.

Bloodletters have less hp, same figures, and some preliminary calculations show that due to the armor and hit chance, they'll do less damage than the warriors to their counterpart, and they're more expensive, too

This bears out in actual gameplay, too.

But, for siege battles in particular, which we now have a lot of, speed is absolutely a factor, and the Chaos Warriors are some of the slowest infantry in game, only beating out nurgle troops... I think? Still, they're about 75% as fast as the Bloodletters. That's a real difference, but it's not halved or anything.

Just adding numbers and a quick analysis for some more 'meat' to the discussion. :)
In practice, Bloodletters in 1v1 beats the chaos warriors though (unbuffed) and seems to perform better against other units too. The bonus vs infantry and a lot of armor piercing make a big difference offensively (+ magic attack). Frenzy is great but deactivates when leadership doesn't stay high enough.
最后由 Freiya 编辑于; 2022 年 2 月 25 日 上午 6:20
Solvem Probler 2022 年 2 月 25 日 上午 5:51 
Warriors are not demons, therefore they don't suffer from sudden dissolution.
Beytran70 2022 年 2 月 25 日 上午 6:26 
I have found Chaos Warriors of Khorne to be utterly disgusting in most situations and seem heavily favored in autoresolve. Bloodletters are good, but if you want a more 40k looking Khorne army, get you some warriors.
Falaris 2022 年 2 月 25 日 下午 1:28 
I expected the Chaos Warriors to do well on paper, but I've run tests 5v5, and the chaos warriors got buggered with flaming swords, figuratively speaking. I expected the chaos warriors to win against regular bloodletters, and lose to the exalted ones, but they lost against both. To be fair, it was somewhat even vs. the regular bloodletters, but it was still a 5-0 defeat.

So.... yeah. I think the chaos warriros are still good,against, say, marauders and such, where their armor comes into play more, but I don't think I'll think of them as stronger than bloodletters anymore.
Flip 2022 年 2 月 25 日 下午 1:39 
Bloodletters are Anti-Armor
Chaos Warriors are anti infantry
Flip 2022 年 2 月 25 日 下午 1:39 
引用自 Beytran70
I have found Chaos Warriors of Khorne to be utterly disgusting in most situations and seem heavily favored in autoresolve. Bloodletters are good, but if you want a more 40k looking Khorne army, get you some warriors.

Aye Warriors are fantastic for autoresolve
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